Transport, Environment, Communities & Climate Change Select Committee - Tuesday 24 March 2026, 10:00am

Transport, Environment, Communities & Climate Change Select Committee
Tuesday, 24th March 2026 at 10:00am

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Cllr Penny Drayton
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Sally Moore - Senior Scrutiny Officer

1 Apologies for Absence

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Cllr Michael Collins
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr Penny Drayton
Sally Moore - Senior Scrutiny Officer
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr Anja Schaefer
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr Clive Harriss
Cllr Penny Drayton
Glenn Watson - Principal Governance Officer
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr Justine Fulford
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr Penny Drayton
Glenn Watson - Principal Governance Officer
Cllr Penny Drayton

9 Chairman's Further Announcement and Election of Chairman

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Cllr David Carroll

3 Minutes of the Previous Meeting

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Minutes Public Pack, 03/02/2026 Transport, Environment, Communities & Climate Change Select Committee

Public Question

4 Public Questions

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Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Thomas Broom
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Cllr David Carroll

5 Chairman's Update

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6 Active Travel - the Local Cycling and Walking Infrastructure Plan

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Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Robin Stuchbury
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Robin Stuchbury
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Michael Collins
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Michael Collins
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Caroline Cornell
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Caroline Cornell
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Anja Schaefer
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr Thomas Broom
Rebecca Dengler-Jones - Transport Safety Manager
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Clive Harriss
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Clive Harriss
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr Thomas Broom
Rebecca Dengler-Jones - Transport Safety Manager
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Justine Fulford
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Justine Fulford
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Justine Fulford
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Justine Fulford
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll

7 Performance Monitoring Q3 2025 to 2026

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Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Anja Schaefer
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Andy Huxley
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Andy Huxley
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Ashley Waite
Cllr Arman Alam
Cllr Ashley Waite
Cllr Arman Alam
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr Michael Collins
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr Justine Fulford
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr Justine Fulford
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Andy Huxley
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr Andy Huxley
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Anja Schaefer
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Michael Collins
Cllr Ed Gemmell
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Adekunle Osibogun
Cllr David Carroll

8 The Local Transport Plan 5

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Cllr Clive Harriss
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Justine Fulford
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Thomas Broom
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Clive Harriss
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Penny Drayton
Cllr David Carroll
Cllr Michael West
Cllr David Carroll
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10 Work Programme

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11 Date of Next Meeting

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Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:00:00

Good morning.

Welcome, everyone.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:00:14

This is the tech select committee meeting, 24th of March,

and I'd like to welcome the members of the council, officers and guests,

and all the public watching on the webcast.

This meeting is webcast throughout,

and can I remind everyone to always use your microphones when talking otherwise

it doesn't get picked up online also helps everyone in the room to hear

what's going on. We have public questions this morning which will be moving to the

item which we'll go through as we get through the agenda but if we can start

this morning with any apologies and change the membership please Sally.

1 Apologies for Absence

Sally Moore - Senior Scrutiny Officer - 0:00:57

Thank you Chairman. We have had no apologies and we have a new member, Councillor Clive Harris from the committee.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:01:05

Thank you. Welcome Councillor Harris, good to have you join us.

And welcome to a full house. We have not actually had a full house on this committee so that's fantastic.

I would at this point just like to thank Councillor Greg Smith who was on this

committee up until this point there was a proportionality review which meant a

number of seats changed and Councillor Smith is no longer sitting on this

committee but I'd like to acknowledge his great work he's very thorough always

read up on all the items and asked some really good questions over the time so

I'd just like to put down record.

Our thanks to Councillor Smith.

Okay, are there any declarations of interest

in this morning's items?

Chair, if I may.

Cllr Michael Collins - 0:02:00

Procedure rule 2 .64 allows me to submit a motion

without notice to the select committee.

It does by engaging the Council procedure rules

under council rule 3 .41.

I propose that select committee rule 2 .4 be suspended

so as to disapply the length of service to chairman

and that's the committee elects a new chairman

with immediate effect the remainder

of the current financial year.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:02:34

Okay, thank you, Councillor Collins.

Is there a seconder for that motion?

Councillor Cornell or Councillor Harris.

Councillor.

Can I suggest an amendment please?

We have a seconder.

Councillor Gemmell would you like to speak?

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 0:02:53

Can I suggest an amendment that actually we move this to be dealt with at the end of

the meeting so it's not to disturb the flow of the meeting and it really makes no difference

to anybody if it's done at the beginning or the end and still gets sorted out so can I

suggest an amendment that we move the motion to the end please. Okay thank you

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:03:11

Councillor Fulford that's you'd like to second that amendment. Okay so we've had

Sally Moore - Senior Scrutiny Officer - 0:03:25

a motion and an amendment to the motion first of all could we have a vote on the

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:03:30

amendment if you'd like to raise your hand if you're in favour of the

And those against postponing the amendment,

or going forward with the amendment,

that's six in favour.

So motion is carried.

And so we move on to the motion.

For the benefit of those not aware of what's going on here,

as this is obviously a very unusual circumstance,

the committee are aware as we,

I did explain to them that we were expecting this to happen.

The motion has been put forward as a result of a single member

of the council moving parties recently.

There was a proportionality review at the full council

in February which resulted in the Conservatives

who were running a minority administration now being a

majority administration.

And as such, the number of seats on each select committee changed

which means that there are now one extra seat

for the Conservatives on each select committee

and some of the other committees.

And as such, they have chosen that they would like

to take the chairs of each of those committees.

It's not necessary.

It didn't need to be done,

but it is what's been chosen to be done.

It also didn't need to be done at the start of a meeting

when we have got an agenda ahead

that has been prepared for and when we've got members of the public.

So my apologies to all of those that find this situation awkward.

I can't say I'm comfortable with it myself.

Anyway, the motion has been put forward.

I will open the floor to debate on the motion as is a general procedure.

I would like to welcome anybody to contribute as to why they are supporting this motion.

The motion is to shorten the term of the chair,

which would normally be for one whole committee year.

And so it isn't on the actual chair position themselves,

but in regards to the motion,

it would be interesting to hear why anybody would like

to support or oppose this motion and taken into account

now that it's been brought forward.

Obviously I can go round one by one or I will pick you up, but I will give everybody the opportunity to talk

It is from my point of view. I think a shame that we're going through this when

We have got a perfectly operational committee where members have shown up

Across the room other than possibly on the conservative side as we do have one member

unfortunately hasn't turned up or given apologies

to a single meeting all year,

but now has shown up this morning,

which was not a surprise.

Anyway, Councillor Schaffer, can I move to you first?

Thank you, Madam Chair.

I'm not in favour of this motion.

We elect chairs to committees for a full year.

Cllr Anja Schaefer - 0:06:44

There is absolutely no reason to shorten the chairmanship

of the committee.

the committee has been working well. It's been doing its job and all members of

the committee who have been present have been doing their job and that is to ask

searching questions and to provide scrutiny. Scrutiny is vitally important

to a council because better decisions are being made with better scrutiny. So

I think you as the current chair have been excellent in that role and

therefore I regret this motion and I will not be voting for it. Thank you

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:07:25

Councillor Shafer. Councillor Harris you had your hand up. Can we move straight

Cllr Clive Harriss - 0:07:29

please to the vote on this? I really don't think that we need to go around

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:07:34

battering everyone as to their reasons for this. Thank you. I will refer to the

monitoring officer but as far as I'm aware in the role of chair I am allowed

to listen to debate until I'm satisfied it's been debated. Maybe the monitoring

and officer will be able to confirm that.

That's right, Chair.

Effectively what Councillor Harris has done

Glenn Watson - Principal Governance Officer - 0:07:54

is a motion without notice that the question be now put.

That would need to be seconded in any case.

But even if it is seconded,

you're forced to yourself to determine

whether you think as Chair sufficient debate

on this matter has been had or not.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:08:07

Okay, thank you.

I think as it is an important matter,

we should continue to debate.

Councillor Fulford, you had your hand.

The purpose of this committee is to scrutinise and the action

Cllr Justine Fulford - 0:08:24

of changing your perfectly good chairing of this meeting.

I've really enjoyed this committee

because it hasn't been political.

You've been careful not to allow it to become political.

You've checked members when they have started on political.

I think it's a shame if we lose that particular element.

I think you've been, you've chaired very, very fairly.

I'm actually being heckled from my left,

so you're saying, oh, shut up.

That's what's being said to me from my left.

I'm sorry that it's come to this.

It would have been fine.

This is one last meeting.

And I, I, I'm sad that that's what's happened

when we are told constantly,

you shouldn't be political in scrutiny.

And that's come from all around the table.

if and when, but thank you for your chairing.

I won't be supporting the motion to replace you until.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:09:22

Thank you, Councillor Gemmell.

Well, I'll start by just saying

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 0:09:25

thank you for your chairing as well.

I think it's a good place to start.

It's always very, very sad when politics gets in the way

of good collaboration and in High Wycombe at the moment

on the High Wycombe town committee,

We've had total collaboration.

Parties have gone out the window pretty much

since we started doing it.

And we've been able to move forward really trying

to do the best from the bottom of all of our hearts

for the people in High Wycombe.

And I hope that's going to be shown again this evening

when we get there.

And it's a real shame to come to points

where we might be destroying, in some ways,

collaboration amongst people with this sort of thing

when it is completely unnecessary.

And I do find it really, well, not just deplorable,

but rather sad, actually,

that people would take this kind of measure

when it makes no difference to them whatsoever,

if it's done in a couple of hours' time

or a couple of months' time.

Let's just hope that in all other committees and situations,

we are totally collaborative,

and we don't have to come to any of these

rather small -minded party ways of acting

when there are much bigger things at stake

right across the board.

Thank you.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:10:46

Would anybody else like to speak?

Those who are in favour of the motion potentially,

as I'm still unclear why it's happened at the start,

maybe somebody would like to clarify that.

No.

Glenn Watson - Principal Governance Officer - 0:11:13

No? Okay. Okay, we shall move to the vote on the motion then. I believe, do I operate that Glenn or?

Yes that's right Chair, you can call for those for and against for the motion and then if it is

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:11:22

successful and election is necessary I can go through the procedure for that but you can call

for the vote now on this particular motion. Okay, thank you for your guidance. Okay, so the motion

is valid. We've had debate so if anybody would like to raise their hand

in support of the motion first of all.

Yeah, also a motion yes. Okay we have six in support and those against the motion

That's five against. There's no one left so I won't ask for any abstentions. So the motion is carried.

9 Chairman's Further Announcement and Election of Chairman

Glenn Watson - Principal Governance Officer - 0:12:04

I'll now hand over to the Monitor Officer who can continue with the next stage. Thank you.

Thank you and the next stage then is as was called for by the motion to elect a chair for

the remainder of this meeting and for the remainder of the council term. If there is

There's only one nomination when I call for nominations in a moment.

If there's only one nomination, that person is deemed to be elected as chair.

If there is more than one nomination, I'll call for

a show of hands in favour of each nominee in turn.

A successful nominee would need to have secured a clear majority of votes

in the room.

A councillor can't nominate themselves, but

they can vote on their own appointment should they wish.

but a seconder is required for each nomination.

So, do we have any nominations for chair of the committee?

I'd like to nominate the current chair

to become the chair again, please.

That is proposed, is that seconded?

Okay, thank you.

Any other nominations?

Councillor Collins?

I think you said that was a nomination for Councillor David Carroll. Thank you. Is that

seconded? It is. Are there any other? Okay. I will now call for support in turn. You can

in favour of Councillor Penny Drayton

as chair of this committee.

One, two, three, four, five.

That's five.

Those in favour of Councillor Carroll

as chair of this committee.

One, two, three, four, five, six.

That is six.

Councillor Carroll has a clear majority

of the votes in the room

and is therefore duly elected by this committee

as the chair of it for the remainder of this meeting

and the remainder of the council term.

Councillor Carroll can now take the chair.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:14:18

Just a quick question, Glenn, before you leave.

Is the vice chair elected or appointed?

The vice -chair is appointed.

It's going funny. Shall I leave the minutes for the new chair to approve? That's right, yes you would.

All the successive succeeding items of business now will be for the new chair

to take. Yes. Okay that's fine. Obviously I've got my own chairman report which

it's my stuff so I obviously won't have that but no okay and all the notes on

everything I prepared unfortunately they're on my laptop so okay

Cllr David Carroll - 0:15:50

Thank you everybody.

and can I thank the Penny for a really hard work so thank you that. I think the

next agenda item is appoint the Vice Chair and that be Councillor Huxley.

Okay, move on. So we've done declarations of interest minutes of the previous

3 Minutes of the Previous Meeting

meetings any any observations? None at all? Okay public speaking item four we've

got two public speaking at the moment could have David Stevens come up please

start with the ball rolling thank you.

Public Question - 0:16:56

Good morning. I'd like to thank the committee for allowing scrutiny. For the fiscal year

2026 to 2027, could the success and impact of the very hardworking Butts Council officers

4 Public Questions

in active travel be better tracked and reflected in the corporate performance report by one,

adding an indicator that includes active travel walking to the current council performance

indicators and two, making the cycling indicator clearer using a 12 -month rolling metric and

then setting more ambitious targets.

Thank you very much.

You've got the response to that, aren't we?

Thank you, Chair.

Cllr David Carroll - 0:17:49

And thank you for your question and your suggestion

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:17:51

regarding the Council's Key Performance Indicator,

which currently reports on average daily cycling count

per active cycle count per day.

We are currently reviewing this KPI,

However, we are not in a position to introduce changes for the 26 -27 year.

In terms of the suggestions that you've referenced, our current supply of data counts is primarily

focused on detecting cycling rather than pedestrians movements, and not all counters have the functionality

to capture both.

Therefore, our pedestrian count coverage is more limited.

However, as part of the review, we will consider whether walking could be included as a result

additional indicator. A rolling 12 month metric can be calculated to indicate cycling trends.

However, it is felt that quarterly reporting is likely to remain the most appropriate methodology.

As part of our review, however, we will consider the target levels.

Whilst we are currently retaining the existing KPI and methodology, we are developing our updated

local transport plan LTP5, which is currently out to consultation until 30th of March.

Within the draught LTP5, there is a proposed monitoring...a list of proposed monitoring

indicators to measure progress against the proposed LTP5 objectives and policies.

We are proposing to monitor active travel usage as well as the quantity of routes and

the amount of the network that we are delivering.

I would encourage you and indeed all members of the public to submit any feedback as part of the LTP5 consultation on your voice box.

So this can be taken into consideration as we finalise LTP5 and performance indicators.

Cllr David Carroll - 0:19:44

Thank you.

OK, we've got another public question.

and it's Alan Thorley.

You okay?

Good morning.

Hello everyone, thank you for having me.

Public Question - 0:20:04

My name's Alan Thorley and I am chair

of Haddonham Safe Walking and Cycling Group.

And I'd also like to thank the dedicated work

of the active travel officers for routes in our area

and we look forward to imminent progress.

My question is, the LCWIP contains routes all around the county that will make a real difference to people's lives,

as well as delivering benefits across multiple council portfolios, from transport and health and wellbeing, to environment, climate change and waste.

But in order to access these benefits, residents are entirely dependent on Bucks Council as the only body with the powers to push through new infrastructure.

Where I live in Haddonham, for example, in order to reach any of our neighbouring communities

by bicycle, you're forced to cycle on fast, busy, dangerous roads, effectively removing

these choices from large sections of the community.

With this in mind, and in order for residents to see that the LCWIP represents a genuine

strategic plan rather than just a wish list, what is the council's ambition for roll -out

in terms of pace and expansion of network,

and how can this be measured, for instance,

in miles built per year,

number of routes being actively worked on,

number of routes with defined project plans

or other metrics.

Thank you.

Response?

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:21:31

Thank you again for your question regarding

the Buckinghamshire Local Cycling

and Walking Infrastructure Plan, the LCWIP.

The Buckinghamshire LCWIP outlines

a high -level strategic future walking, cycling, and wheeling network made up of a series of

identified links referred to as corridors that are aligned with journey demands and

local priorities. And LCWIP does not itself fund any of the proposals contained within

it, rather it provides a basis from which to seek and secure funding. Delivery of proposals

is subject to that external funding secured primarily through grants, developer contributions,

and collaborative working with partners.

Additionally, deliverability can be affected

by location -specific factors,

which I think has been a particular issue

in your local area.

The Council is progressing several schemes

identified in the LCWIT with its available resources,

including in the Haddonham area.

Schemes require design and engagement

to determine specific interventions and associated costs.

The item on today's agenda includes some examples

of schemes that are fully funded,

have progressed to public consultation and are anticipated to be delivered in the next

one to two years. Looking ahead, the LCWIP is being used alongside the Council's emerging

Local Transport Plan 5 that I referred to in my previous answer and the Local Plan for

Buckinghamshire to guide the prioritisation, development and delivery of infrastructure.

In the case of the Local Plan, we will be drawing on the LCWIP to assist in seeking

future funding towards and delivery of new infrastructure that is associated with new

development and growth areas through the planning, policy and development management process.

With regards to monitoring, within the bucced LCWIP, it is noted that as part of the preparation

of LTP5, the Council will also be reviewing and updating monitoring and evaluation processes

and this will consider active travel.

The draught LTP5 is currently out of public consultation,

as I said previously until the 30th of March,

and lists proposed monitoring indicators

to measure progress against the proposed LTP5 objectives

and policies, including active travel,

through LTP5 to monitor active travel usage

as well as the quantity of routes

and the amount of network we've delivered,

as I've referenced previously.

Again, we very much welcome feedback or suggestions as part of that LTP5 consultation.

It's really, really useful for us to take in views from residents across the county.

And once again, that can be accessed by the Your Voice Bucks website. Thank you.

Cllr David Carroll - 0:24:17

Thank you very much. There was a question from Councillor Strutsby, but I think that's going to be within the item, isn't it?

You okay with that, Robin?

Yes.

5 Chairman's Update

Item 5, Chairman's Announcements.

I think there's been enough talk from the Chairman,

as I've put myself in the past, Chairman.

Thank you, Penny, for your work in the past.

I must announce that there is an HS2 item next time round,

which is really important to all of us, I think.

So I hope that you please put your efforts into getting in for that one because it's so important.

It's affecting my area a lot actually.

So I mean it's going to be a really, really top item to talk about. Thank you for that.

6 Active Travel - the Local Cycling and Walking Infrastructure Plan

Item 6, Active Travel Plan, I believe there's a presentation.

Then Thomas will step in.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:25:19

I'm quite happy to take Robin's question before or after.

Okay, Robin do you want to step up and take it now?

I can't listen.

That's fine, that's fine. He wants to listen to it.

Sorry, I'm not turning my mic on. I should have said...

I don't want to accept Robin.

Before or after, I'm happy to do either way.

So if you want to do it after, that's no problem at all.

Thank you very much everybody.

As you can tell from the public questions,

that we've already had today,

there is some significant interest

in this area of the work that the council is doing.

We just wanted to give you a sort of a quick update

of what we're up to.

As has been said on a couple of occasions already

by members of the public,

we are very lucky to have an excellent team of officers

who are supporting us on this.

It's not always the easiest thing to progress,

given that, particularly given that we have to sort of

to secure external funding and develop funding

for all of this, that is a complex process.

So we just wanted to give you a quick update

on some of the projects that we're planning to take forward

and then obviously we'll open the floor to questions.

So if we can move to the next slide.

Not sure who's...

Oh, there we go.

So just to give you an outline here of the development process.

So this is effectively the process where we're going through to pull together the LCWIP so

that everybody understands sort of how that's happened effectively because I appreciate

there will be members on the committee who may not have been here when we've talked about

it previously.

So this is just a bit of an update as to how that came to be.

I'm not, unless anybody specifically wants me to, I'm not going to walk through all of the stages of putting this together.

Because this is obviously a process that has already happened.

But to give you the background for how we do it.

And if we can go to the next slide, we should be able to see a map of what is produced out of that process.

And this is the network map.

Members, longstanding members of the committee will absolutely have seen this map before

when we've been able to talk about this on previous occasions.

But this really sets out our ambition for what we would like to see

with the county connected together by various active travel routes,

you'll see particularly importantly the green spine down the middle of the county,

which is the Bucks Greenway there.

Obviously, Bucks, as we all know, is a very long, thin county,

and that is one of the elements that can make active travel provision somewhat tricky

compared to delivering in other places.

but we really think that the greenway there is that central spine that runs north -south

the length of the county that then allows us to bridge off and connect to all sorts

of other places.

The red lines on the map are the inter -settlement connexions, so you've got that sort of main

north -south arterial, and then the other lines are connecting up the various towns and villages

across the county.

So if we go to the next slide, we've got some examples of some case studies of projects

that we are delivering and are about to deliver.

So keep Hillwood in High Wycombe.

This is an area where we've had, I think, quite a significant amount of work.

Have we quite finished?

We have.

So this one is in the complete category.

So you can see there we've delivered surface paths

for walking, cycling, wheeling, and horse riding.

And I'd just like to thank some of my colleagues

who have worked very hard locally with us

to make sure this is delivered and delivered

in a way that is the best outcome

for residents that we can manage.

and I'd also just like to say from the local access forum,

one of the things that has been raised with me

since I took up the portfolio there

is making sure that we did also have that provision

for horse riding as well for Equestrians.

So we've been really happy to be able to deliver that

as part of this project as well.

Next up, we've got the, if we can move to the next slide.

This is a really important one because it crosses a number of very significant things

that are happening in the county.

This is the Winslow Station A413 crossing, which some of you may remember from the previous

tech meeting East West Rail offered to put in some months after it had in fact been completed,

which was an interesting moment.

But this is really important because this is connecting an active travel route up to

the new East West Rail station.

All we need now is for East West Rail to actually get some trains running.

I understand that there are some ongoing issues with union negotiations.

Obviously, I only understand that from the press.

But we wanted to make sure that we were getting everything in place and we were ready to go

on the assumed launch date.

and we didn't want to delay because there were some issues in terms of the library.

We wanted to get that infrastructure in place.

And this particular crossing, this particular site not only serves the station,

but it's also very useful for a neighbouring local school.

So it's providing sort of value in a couple of directions.

But really, really good project.

and hopefully as I say once the,

once we get the, or once East West Rail

get those trains moving,

this will be a very busy crossing indeed.

Next slide, we've got Buckingham Railway Walk,

so we're trying to take you on a little tour

around the whole of the county with these,

so you can, you know, it's very much a priority for us

that we are getting active travel schemes in

to give access to as many of our residents

as we possibly can.

So it's really important that these run

at the length of the county.

So here we've got some planned path improvements

along the former railway line

between Tindrick Road and 421,

including again some new and improved crossing points.

And that's something that you'll see consistently

in the work that we're doing,

is that we are not going down

the sort of the London LTN route of trying to get rid of road space. The

point of this is to allow choice for residents so they can choose the way in

which they're moving around the county and so you will see a lot of work going

on in terms of crossings, new crossings, improved crossings, so that we can make

sure that you know people who need to take that journey by car can do so

and people who can and want to move by wheeling, walking,

cycling, whatever it is, have the option to do so there.

So I think that is going to be our last example for now.

Although of course we do have a number of other schemes

in the pipeline and obviously we will come forward

and talk to the committee about those

as we get them more and more progressed.

But very happy to answer any questions, Chair.

Cllr David Carroll - 0:33:25

There's several questions.

Robin, did you want to come up first

just to put your question in there?

I'll take the mics then.

Robin.

Thank you very much.

Good morning.

Cllr Robin Stuchbury - 0:33:44

Yeah, thank you.

Just so everyone's aware in the committee,

I've known that this part of the Tinderet Road project

since its conception.

So the question is,

the active travel plan

and local cycle walks infrastructure plan

refers to the railway walk Buckingham, pardon,

which includes land belonging to Buckingham Town Council,

the University of Buckingham,

which will play an active consider,

will we be planning active consideration

that you can cross on the Tinderet Road end?

Those members here, it used to be the stock entrance

into Buckingham before the bypass was constructed.

It's a major road at the Tindyit Road end

of the railway walk.

And at what stage will officers be considering

the route modification order for the railway walk station?

And the route modification order is a means to,

for members who won't know,

it's a means to turn a right of way

into a permanent right of way,

which is on the station end.

And the evidence was taken some considerable time ago.

And the key factors in the delivery of the sets of projects,

it will originally conceived in the section 106 agreement

in the rights of ways for St. Rumbles Road development

in Buckingham and was stated in your project,

this will be delivered for additional funding,

which we're very grateful to receive

from Active Travel England.

and the section 106 agreement,

which was never enough to complete the project,

which was put in in the St. Rumbles way

in the rights of way agreement of it.

So therefore, the scheme was highlighted

by the development agreement

in the Buckingham neighbourhood plan, 2023, 2015,

and which was supported by both

Buckinghamshire County members at the time, I was one,

the other one was Councillor Warren White,

who's no longer with us at the time,

And Buckingham Town Council, it was included in the 2015

Estate Neighbourhood Plan as part of the Means To.

As I say in the last section there, it was to allow children

to travel both to secondary schools and to Brembo Primary School

in a safe manner.

And by delivering this project, we give that alternative,

which is from using a very large vehicle on a very congested road,

which is the Shandles Road, Buckingham.

For those who don't live in Buckingham, it's always congested

and it's always been a bone of contention.

So I hope that there's some reasonable answer around that.

We will stay with this as we were at the beginning,

and if this project, and when it's delivered,

it will be such a key factor in cognitively in our town,

and it will link the industrial state with the education,

it will link the Tinderet Road developments

and the new developments down there with the schools.

So it's got such a key piece of infrastructure in Buckingham,

and without the active travel plan,

which the now leader of the council,

when he was doing the cabinet member,

was secured with the previous government.

Thank you.

Hans.

Cllr David Carroll - 0:36:53

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:36:54

Thank you, Chair, and thank you, Robin,

for your question on Railway Walk

active travel scheme in Buckingham.

I understand that officers are keeping local members

and Buckingham town council updated on progress and have provided an update earlier this month.

To confirm along with the railway walk improvements we are proposing a new Toucan

crossing point on Tynwick road. The scheme has been subject to public consultation

alongside engagement with Active Travel England. A leader decision will be published following

completion of the detailed design work in late April 2026. This will seek approval to progress

scheme delivery including the conversion of the route to a cycle track through the Buckingham

Shear Council and Town Council land parcels. Subject to approval delivery is anticipated

from summer 2026. It should be noted that these improvements do not include the University of

Buckingham land at this time due to the land ownership issues and funding constraints.

however there remains a permissive route through the privately owned land the

definitive map modification order application to add a disused railway as

a public bridleway is a separate matter and is being considered by the council's

Cllr Robin Stuchbury - 0:38:19

definitive map team. Thank you for the update it's nice to have that in public

because it's a very big conversation in the town thank you. Good question and

Cllr David Carroll - 0:38:25

it's very important to all of us.

Councillor Collins.

Thank you, Chairman.

Cllr Michael Collins - 0:38:35

Do our planners and developers engage in any active discussion

with the Active Travel team here at Council?

I think not.

We have a major development at Hammond Fields, 3 ,000 houses.

We have a hideous development of a road from the Holiday Inn,

and the 41 through to the village of Western Turville.

I have a monthly meeting with a project lead at Hadrian Fields,

and they agree that the road is neither suitable for cyclists

or walkers.

No provision has been made.

It is dangerous.

The roads are narrow, and you can't even

get cars down there safely.

Already the curbs that have been down for no longer the two

or three weeks are being damaged.

Bear in mind this is going to be a major road linking into the Hamden Fields development.

It is atrocious.

It is a design failure.

We've got right angle bends that even Taylor would agree are not fit for purpose.

I have an assurance that those bends are going to be arced instead of right angles.

I understand that work will take place sooner rather than later to make it a sweep.

We have situations where large vehicles are going through and getting blocked on angles and it concerns me because

We are conscious of the needs of making walking and cycling safe

imperative to our well -being and I don't think it's been achieved in many of our developments and I'm I do believe that the

the conversations that we should be having between planners and the developers and our

team are not taking place.

And I need to have assurance that this is something that we're going to highlight and

do something about.

Thank you, Mike.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:40:25

Look, to a certain extent, it's more of a planning question than an active travel question.

The difficulty that we often have is that obviously Section 106 agreements are not dictated

by the planning authority.

They are a mutual agreement that you can come to.

And it's certainly the case, not to speak too much for my

colleague Peter Strachan, but I think it's certainly the

case that there are some developers who are more willing

to engage than others.

I think what I'd say from our perspective is we do try and

have as much engagement as we can with developers in terms

of setting out what we would like.

You would have seen most of the slides that we've just

gone through had some elements of Section 106 contribution made to them.

But I'd also go back to the answers I gave to some of the public questions where there's

really important work happening at the moment through the local travel plan and how that

feeds into the local plan so that we can make sure that we've got sort of that framework

in place so that when we do have new development coming, when we've got growth in the county,

Obviously, we're operating under this slightly mad, imposed target of 95 ,000.

But where we are going to see that growth, we want to have that framework in place so

that everybody knows from the very beginning, this is what we expect.

This is how we expect these developments to be taken forward and designed.

We are going to expect contributions for things like active travel.

So it's a somewhat complex picture and as I say I'd hesitate to step too much on my

cabinet colleagues toes on the planning side but we will absolutely have the engagement

that we need to have from the active travel perspective.

Do you want to come back on it?

Cllr Michael Collins - 0:42:22

3 ,000 home development and no provision has been made should we as a council be monitoring

some of these decisions because if the conditions that are set down at the point of development

do not accommodate the need of those residents to cycle and to walk that we are promoting

it's a failure. We're not just not doing what we should be doing we should be monitoring

that and it should be a say I understand that the developers have got an axe to grind but

so are we we've got to consider the well -being of our residents and I don't think we're achieving

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:43:02

that. Yeah I mean I would greatly like for us as a planning authority to have a lot more

powers so that we could do those things. You know planning authorities do not have the

power to stipulate every aspect of every development that comes before them and it's unfortunate

that we're in a position now where I think consultation

is now closed on government proposals

to take even more decision making power away

from local councils.

So it's definitely moving in the wrong direction.

I think that we will always engage as much as we can

within the framework that's set out.

But at the end of the day, it's not

Buckinghamshire Council that determines what our powers are

in terms of what we can make developers do

and what we can't.

As I said, I'm giving you a slightly hedged answer there

because I think it's more of a planning issue

than it is a transport issue.

But that would very much be my feeling

and I would absolutely echo your sentiment

that local authorities should be given more powers

by government to make sure that development

that is happening in our communities is more conducive

to making those communities a better place to live

in all sorts of ways, but including active travel.

Caroline.

Cllr David Carroll - 0:44:24

Thank you, Chairman.

Sorry, sorry.

I'd like to note, Councillor Broome,

thank you for a very nice presentation.

Cllr Caroline Cornell - 0:44:33

Why haven't we got more LCWIP corridors in the north?

Because we now have a railway station there,

and we have precious few corridors for cyclists, et cetera.

So is that going to happen,

or...

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:44:48

So I think there is a natural sort of rhythm to the county, which is that it is more densely

populated in the south, and particularly in terms of when we're looking at active travel

routes based on demand, there is a bit of an inevitability there that in the places

where there are more settlements and more people in those settlements, there will be

more demand for routes.

And so that's why you're absolutely right.

We've still got the map up on the screen here.

You can see it is a bit denser in the south of the county.

Now that's partly because obviously we

are working with a relatively limited envelope of funding.

As I've said, a lot of the time we're

looking at some Section 106 contribution,

plus something that's come in from an external source,

active travelling or government grant.

And so we do need to be able to demonstrate

that when we're levering in that funding,

we do need to be able to demonstrate usage and demand.

I do take your point though.

We do need to have an awareness of in those places,

I think this is always the case,

but where you have a funding mechanism in place

that has certain criteria,

there will always be natural winners

coming out of that criteria.

and we need to make sure that we're not letting that

sort of take over the scheme of development.

I mean, if there's any particular area

you'd like to highlight, I'm sure we'd be keen to have a look.

Cllr Caroline Cornell - 0:46:23

But we're actually having more houses dumped on us

by the government, aren't we?

So, strictly it's going to increase in size.

There's no cycleway there.

And with the station coming in,

we do need to be able to get people to the station

rather than having cars coming down these very narrow

country roads which aren't built for it.

Yes, and I apologise.

I wasn't quite following it yet.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:46:42

Yes, in the context of that increased development

that's being imposed.

I think the short answer to that is that,

you know, this is the LC what we pulled together

in the scenario where we were having to take,

you know, just about half of that level of housing,

which was what the needs -based assessment

said that Buckinghamshire needed to take.

Obviously that's been completely blown out of the water

by this 95 ,000 target that's been imposed,

that will absolutely have an effect

on how we're looking to develop active travel.

Now, the silver lining, that's probably too strong

given the damage that that level of development

is going to do, is that obviously

a very significant amount of development

means that there will be a good amount

of Section 106 funding up for grabs.

And as I said before, that's sort of the foundation

on which we build the funding model for these things.

So yes, that picture will definitely change.

I think we need to look at the local plan

as it's coming through.

And we will absolutely be keeping a very close eye on that

as it develops, because that will be guiding us

as to where we need to be looking to put in

more active travel routes as we go forwards.

I just say again, the critical point about LTP5,

Local Transport Plan 5, which is that is helping us build the framework which we can then use

to get that delivered once we know where housing is going to be.

And so again, I just take the opportunity to encourage any members of the public watching

to reply to the consultation on that because that's going to be the framework which we

use to develop that.

although as you say that will absolutely be in the context of the utterly ridiculous number

that's been imposed on by the government.

Council Schieffer.

Cllr David Carroll - 0:48:40

Thank you Chairman.

Cllr Anja Schaefer - 0:48:46

So following on from that topic I'm fully aware of the constraints or the funding constraints

but I look at this map that you have helpfully projected there and there's quite a lot of

And then I look at the case studies that you've also

helpfully put up.

Now, every single last bit of infrastructure that we are able

to put in is obviously welcome.

But I would have to point out, it looks to me like the,

our ability to deliver and the task ahead or the ambition

ahead, frankly, do not seem to match any,

in any shape or form.

Now, I do understand why it's important, but,

and I also understand that a lot of the section 106 funding,

that this is an issue for planning.

What I would like to know is what measures are being taken.

We're still waiting for the infrastructure plan,

obviously for the new local plan.

What measures are being taken

for a very close working relationship between yourself

and your colleague on planning and possibly has,

if not more crucially, with all due respect,

between the teams that work on these.

Because I know from experience

that inter -team working is not always easy.

Or the very way in which we structure organisations

mitigates against it.

But here it is absolutely important.

It is important for this.

It's also super important for getting some

of our roads fixed because we've talked about this before

and there might be opportunity later again.

They are in an atrocious state at this stage.

And we will have all this new development

and a lot of the section 106 money comes in late.

I want to be assured that behind the scenes,

the teams are working really close together

so that we're getting this done as soon as possible

and that the plan is there.

and not afterwards, that we don't have a situation

where then teams write to parish and town houses.

Do you have any idea what we might do

with this Section 106 money?

Now, obviously, the consultation is also important.

I want to know that it's done early

and before we get any of this development,

almost before we get the planning applications in,

and that is my question to you.

Is this happening and how can it be improved?

Yeah, absolutely.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:51:20

So the first point I would make is that the LCWIP is our strategic vision.

It's what we want to get to.

The complications of getting there are the day -to -day job that the team is doing.

I'm very confident in the cross -portfolio working that's taking place.

I think it's a really important part of the process.

I know that the teams are well engaged.

As I said in answer to Mike's question, there is an issue there which is that we don't have

the absolute power to condition things.

A lot of this is done through agreement and then based on that funding that we've received,

we can look to secure additional funding from other sources.

So I think, yeah, the LCWIP is the strategic vision.

The day -to -day work, the bits that we've seen coming

through today are how we fill that out.

I don't think there is any particular issue with setting

out an ambitious sort of high -level target to reach.

I know we're coming to KPIs later on in the meeting

and this is a refrain I always have with KPIs as well.

I would always prefer to have something that is ambitious and thorough that we can work towards

Rather than just giving ourselves a nice easy target

I mean, you know you could you could take sort of a third to half of those routes off that map and we could come

To you and say oh, yes

Well, this is what we can do and it's a much easier thing for us to

Deliver and doesn't it make us look good when we tick all the boxes

But we have an ambition in this area and we want to deliver this for residents and say we are you know

inclination both of myself on the political side but I think of the team as well is to set out that

you know what could we do here that would make this you know a really really good network for

residents and then once we set that ambition we look to go and and and fulfil that ambition.

But as I say my inclination would always be to go to go ambitious and to go in a more comprehensive

direction and then work towards that rather than sort of you know set a bit of a tick box exercise

where we go well this is this is nice and manageable but not very ambitious but you know we take it off

every time. Just on the wider point that you're making I'm not entirely sure what the

the connexion is to between roads and section 106 commitments. Obviously there will be new parts of

the highway network that are delivered as we see an increase in housing across the county.

In terms of the existing road network, obviously we've just passed in the budget our... We've

realised our commitment to 120 million pound road programme. That includes 17 % uplift in

capital funding for resurfacing. In the current financial year, we've delivered 220 roads

resurfaced across the county.

But again, on that note of ambition in the financial year

from April, we're looking to ramp that up to 270.

And obviously, that will be an important contribution to

improving our roads.

It is the biggest investment in roads in the

history of the county.

So it's something that we do take very seriously.

And as I said before, in terms of the active travel space, we

are trying to promote choice.

So that residents who need to make those journeys by car

can do so.

Residents who want to walk, wheel, and cycle

can also do so.

And obviously, the condition of the roads

is important for both, particularly where

we've got those active travel schemes where

there's some shared space.

Cllr David Carroll - 0:55:18

Sir Gemmell.

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 0:55:20

Great.

Thanks, Rach.

Just before we start, Jonathan Fuller,

not related to the famous climate activist Jonathan

Fuller.

No?

OK.

Just checking before we start.

So, okay, I'm just, I could see that we were doing grant applications on the slides

and that sort of thing, which is something we were talking about in our last meeting

where we don't have enough people in the council making grant applications for us.

So, first I just want to find out how much we've got actually on the grants and then

to ask if whoever's making them actually can we have them making more grants in the sort

of transport and environmental areas to try and get some more money in.

The biggest issue for our active travel here is potholes.

You know, and having played dodgems on the way here,

driving slowly all the way from Hazelmere

to get around the potholes,

and I can see Thomas looking defensive already.

Don't look defensive, Thomas.

It's not only you, it's years of it not being done.

You are unresponsible now, but it's not only you.

So really, when we're looking at active travel,

A, do we have the stats to show us

how many people aren't cycling

because of the crap potholes that are in front of them

all the time and the danger they face.

And could we then look at if we managed to solve

that pothole problem, actually would we double,

triple, quadruple the number of people

that cycle all the time?

Are we looking at how we can improve,

in other words, what you're doing with these new pathways

and all that sort of thing, in relation to the roads

that are next to them or near them related to the potholes

and the damage and everything that's caused.

Do we ever relate those things together

to try and get something that's more cohesive

and takes into account the state of the roads next to it.

The thing that I'm bashing Thomas over the head with

every single time, and I'll keep doing it, is Holland.

Holland clearly is well ahead of us in terms of active travel,

and it doesn't have any potholes.

Are the learnings there for what you're doing

that we can then turn over as well onto the pothole issue

and just get the whole thing working better?

And Thomas, I'm still holding you for your coming out

with that drink or coffee to talk about potholes at some point.

We haven't done it yet, but we must do that.

On the section 106 agreements, and you alluded to it,

but to be specific, we've got the opportunity

with the local plan now to push what we want

in the section 106 agreements.

So, so long as it's actually in there,

every section 106 agreement will come up and deal

with active travel and new pathways

and whatever it would be, cycleways.

But only if we get it in the plan beforehand.

If not, as Thomas says, it's completely gone

because it becomes a matter of negotiation.

Bike busses, do we do anything about them?

You know, trails, snakes of kids going to school

and that sort of thing on a bike bus,

which is utterly impossible because of the potholes.

But when we're planning these cycleways,

are the settlements between, you know,

where there's areas between them and schools,

which we could concentrate on,

and then every single day,

we could suddenly see 100 kids in a bike bus

or whatever it is going between particular areas.

It seems an incredible opportunity to win

and put it in something that would automatically be used

because we've got clientele to use it.

I think that's it.

Thank you.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:58:15

Thank you. I hate to praise you, Ed, but I'm afraid you don't tend to set my mood.

In terms of, you know, we've heard a concerted effort and well done everybody to get potholes

into every question about active travel. So forgive me, I'm going to respond quite directly.

Obviously, at the beginning of this year, we've had some pretty tricky weather, particularly

that affects the states of the roads.

It's been a national issue.

People will have seen coverage of this from all over the place.

Our response to that in the short term has been to progressively track more and more

resource onto the road network to try and get that sorted and to get those potholes

fixed.

We were in a tricky position early on because conditions continue to be, let's just say, not ideal for making repairs.

So we were having to make a lot of temporary repairs.

I'm very pleased to be able to say we've now crossed the line where we have more than doubled the resource that we normally have out on the network.

And a big part of the reason for that is because we are now seeing conditions improve to the

point where we've got temporary repairs, I think well below 20 % now of the repairs that

are being done.

So in the short term, we've doubled the resource we've got out on the network.

In the long term, as I said previously, the investment that we have just passed into Buckingham

Shears Roads is the biggest that the county has ever seen.

It's 120 million pounds.

Across the wider highway network, it's 210 million pounds.

These are really, really significant amounts of investment.

We are rated in the top category on the Department of Transport's assessment criteria, both in

terms of level of investment, but also in terms of best practise.

And that's where they look at how we are deploying the level of investment that we have.

Only 21 out of all the local authorities in the country were given the top rating on that

category.

So it is a problem.

We are putting in the investment we need to improve our roads.

And we, as far as we can tell in terms of, as they say, a government that is not necessarily

friendly to us most of the time, has assessed the way that we're deploying

that investment as one of the best local authorities in the country. It is not a

problem that we can fix overnight. The analogy I've been giving to people is

you know we've had roughly the same number of defects this year as we had

last year. The difference is that last year we had them between sort of October

and April and this year we had a very quiet October,

November, December and pretty much all of the defects

emerged in January and February.

And that has meant that it's an issue of getting capacity

out onto the network in order to make those repairs.

That has meant that because the demand for these services

has been pretty much universal across the country

because this has been a national problem,

we've really had to deploy our sharp elbows

to make sure we've got the resources

that we need out there.

What I would say to any residents is,

look at any of the local authorities bordering us.

I don't think any of them have managed

to get the response out onto the network that we have,

not even close, in fact.

And we will continue to do that work

because we appreciate that it is

an absolute top priority for residents,

A top priority that we can only invest in because we have made serious difficult decisions

about the finances of this council, a council which has just lost 44 and a half million

pounds of funding from central government cut by central government.

But because we have been driving efficiencies, 200 million pounds over the last five years,

making sure that residents get much better bang for their buck in terms of the council

tax that they pay, that has meant that because of that careful financial management, we have

the resources available to invest in our roads.

So that's the overall point.

I think in terms of, I think bike busses, I might defer to you Rebecca, because I'm not

sure I have that answer on the top of my head to be honest then.

Thanks Ed.

Rebecca Dengler-Jones - Transport Safety Manager - 1:03:08

We work very closely with the separate team that does school travel planning.

I used to manage them but they're in a separate area of the council now.

Walking busses have worked very well but parent volunteers is always the biggest problem in terms of making them sustainable.

But it's not to say we couldn't do bike busses, I like that idea.

We have got an officer who is dedicated to helping to promote our new cycle ways as they go in as part of the active travel England funding.

So I will have a chat with them and see if we can maybe try and trial one on one of our new routes if one of the schools is willing we can get the parent volunteers on board to help.

It's something we could have a go at.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:03:53

Can I just add as well, very briefly, this is an area that steps over to the home to

school transport provision side as well, where we are always looking to optimise safe walking

and cycling routes to schools.

So this doesn't just sit with active travel, we've got our colleagues on the home to school

transport side working on the issue as well.

Cllr David Carroll - 1:04:12

Just come back for a quick second.

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 1:04:15

Yes, I would, if I can just come back and then you can come on that anyway because it's

connected.

However good we may be or however many improvements we put

in this year, and I'm not against the improvements

in that, we're still failing.

And to be best in a bunch

of everyone who's failing doesn't get us anywhere.

And the more of our residents' money that we're putting

into it, then the more responsibility we have

to do it in the correct way.

We have an example in Holland, and there are probably,

however brilliant we are, probably one or two other areas

around the country as well that are doing something different,

can we start hearing something innovative

and new applied to this, some new thinking

that might actually get the thing solved in the future,

rather than simply, which is not just you,

it's in every level of government,

we threw more money at it, so we must be brilliant.

That doesn't really answer it.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:05:00

Yeah, I mean, look, the innovation point

is really, really important.

And that is something that we are trying to drive forwards.

We are quite lucky that our primary contractor,

Balfour Beatty, has been very open to the idea

of trying new methods and treatments on the network.

So we've been deploying Mastic, we've been deploying, I'm struggling to remember what

the name is, basically heat treated repairs where you effectively put a bit of material

down and then you melt the whole surface which obviously solves the perennial issue of how

do you seal around the edges.

But it's very much processed, we're always open to looking at new ideas and new methods.

I think on the overall funding points,

I think you are right in the sense that the issue with this

is that we have seen over probably a number of decades now,

quite drastically increased precipitation, rainfall.

We've seen increased volume of traffic.

We've seen quite a significant increase

in the weight of vehicles.

So you've got more heavier vehicles travelling on roads

that are more often impacted by water,

which is their primary force in degrading roads,

apart from possibly the utility companies.

And so I think this probably does need,

it probably does need a fresh look

from a national perspective,

because the fact of the matter is,

local authorities in that same period of time

have taken on more and more responsibilities.

Almost all responsibility for looking after

vulnerable children and adults now sits with local councils and is now largely financed

by local councils.

And in the bits where it isn't, there is a shortfall in funding for the services that

government requires us to deliver.

So I think there does need to be a discussion about this.

I do think there has been a really unhelpful move as part of the sort of wider debate about

how we make environmental improvements where there has been a bit of a chain of logic and

I've certainly seen this from the Department of Transport,

where cars are bad, roads are bad,

let's not invest anything in roads.

And that has absolutely been an issue

at the national government level.

We've seen, I think, in Wales, there

was a complete moratorium on all new spending on roads, which

is obviously a position they have moved rapidly away

from in recent years because you see a consistent lack of attention, which has just been turbocharged.

And frankly, the current government is not taking it seriously. They've made a lot of

big announcements about new money for roads. I'd encourage everybody to go and look at

the actual funding allocations for this because what happened was there used to be three primary

pots for money that went to local authorities on roads, one of which was potholes, and it

was 500 million pounds nationally. And then they got rid of those, so that disappeared.

And then miraculously, the chancellor announced 500 million pounds for potholes in the budget,

which was literally just relabeled money. I mean, it's just nonsense. So we need a much

more serious discussion about this. I think one of the really important things actually

about the discussion we've had today is we've highlighted the fact that we do need to be

to break that link because actually all forms of transport, whether you're driving, walking,

wheeling, cycling, all use the road network. We do need to have a serious national conversation

about this. We do need to acknowledge the fact that we've got all of these pressures

that have been increasing over decades on the road network and that we need a higher

funding allocation to it. But yeah, but particularly on the innovation point, again, that is part

of the assessment criteria in terms of best practise.

So, you know, they are, DFT is looking for local authorities

that are using new innovative methods,

and they are ranking poorly those local authorities

who are just trying to do the same thing

they've been doing for 35 years.

But that's not bucks, you know,

we are actively pursuing these.

And my last meeting with colleagues from Balfour Beatty

at the most senior level, that was very much an item

on the agenda and was probably the thing I was most keen

to talk about.

So, absolute commitment to stay that forward.

And I think we're going to need to plan a two -beer meeting

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 1:09:38

or a two -coffee meeting because one won't be enough

to get through potholes.

Cllr David Carroll - 1:09:43

Clive, I know you're an active cyclist.

Thanks very much.

Cllr Clive Harriss - 1:09:46

I was going to say that I don't envy your job.

As they say, if you want to get to there, don't start here.

Fantastic, the new Link Road.

Wonderful cycle path, very much the way they have it in Holland,

but looks like an industrial estate.

Unfortunately, we've got this open plan, then we have the solar panels on the left,

and we still have building going on, on HS2 on the right.

And actually, as somewhere to cycle through, it's a delight that, in terms of visual impact, horrific.

We then go into Stoke Mandeville, we've got the – I'm responsible for these – the Wands there.

And so suddenly from having all this space in the world,

and suddenly in between the wands,

all the crap is being thrown off, excuse my language,

is being thrown off from the main road into those wands,

and so you can guarantee a puncture in bad weather.

You then carry on and you've got the new greenway

that goes up to Wadsdon, fantastic.

And then you wanna come back,

so you think, I'll come back to the A41,

there's all this lovely cycle path.

You get to the A41 and it stops.

We've got to, what I want to ask you is,

how are we gonna get ahead and link all these together?

Because at the moment, we're just getting Elastoplasts

to stick it on here and we stick it on there

and stick it everywhere else.

I hear what Ed says about Holland.

I cycle with Belgium, Holland, France, Germany,

wherever I can cycle.

You just can't compare the two.

No one lives in Holland.

And when you go down the street in Holland,

everyone has a parking space for their car.

Well, we can't even get, sometimes the planners won't let us have a parking space for our

cars.

So we've got a real problem where our roads are overcrowded.

The other reason a lot of people won't ride on the roads is not because of the potholes,

it's because the road's surfacing.

You'll hear the professionals tell you that the English roads are very heavy, and that's

because we use a very large granite in the road surface.

You can go to Italy, beautifully smooth,

but immediately it rains.

You're off your bike and into the bushes.

It's really quite dangerous.

So my question to you is, yeah,

firstly, you're doing a great job.

And having lived here 20 years now,

seeing so many places linked together with the Phoenix track,

and I'd say the Waddesdon,

biggest problem is that we've got a lot of villages,

and we can't put road,

have cycle routes through those.

We used to live in Hazelmere.

I can't see us putting anything along the Amersham Road there.

It just isn't the space.

But we've got to be able to link these together

to make it much more pleasant.

It's getting in a much, much safer environment.

But we just can't keep going from one thing to another

and then these big gaps.

Thank you.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:12:33

No, no, completely appreciate that.

And I think I've probably come slightly back

to the point I was making before about the LCWIP is

our sort of grand strategic vision,

it is the case that we are filling that vision in

as funding becomes available.

And I'm not gonna shy away from that,

you're absolutely right.

I think what that means that we need to do

is make sure that we are focused on that long -term delivery

and we've got a good rolling programme

and we've got stuff that is constantly coming out.

Now, I have absolute confidence in the team that that is exactly what they're doing.

They're always looking for what's the next bit of this map that we can fill in effectively.

I do think that that is a bit of an inevitability in terms of just how the funding of these

things works.

In terms of the wider point about, you know, there is an issue about shared road space.

that's certainly true.

I think though when you get into the more rural areas

of the county and into some of our beautiful villages,

you know, it can be a bit easier to ride a bike

in sort of lower traffic areas.

I think often where we have the issues in between

where you've got sort of, you know, major settlements

which have significant infrastructure in place.

You've got very small villages

where there's inherently less risk.

The problem, I think, often falls in the middle,

in the places that are a bit busier

but don't necessarily have the massive infrastructure.

And because of the nature of the funding settlement,

the places that are staying smaller

and retaining the beautiful character

of a small Buckinghamshire village

inherently have less funding available

because they're not seeing development

And there's no 106 available.

So I think that's very much something that we need to keep

in mind as we take this forward.

But I think fundamentally what we need to do is just we've

got our vision.

We know what we want to get to.

And we've just got to be absolutely relentless in every

time we have an opportunity to deliver a part of it, we do

that, and we try and make it as joined up as possible as

quickly as we can.

And you know, that's not just in sort of raw deployment and financial terms.

We were also having a conversation the other day about signage across all of our routes

to make sure that, you know, somebody cycling in various different parts of the county or walking or wheeling

has a consistency of what they're seeing.

So we just want to make the experience better across the whole county in any way that we can.

I think we've got a good ambitious plan to get there,

but we do have to acknowledge that delivery of that

is constrained by the available funding.

I'll add one comment, and that is,

Cllr Clive Harriss - 1:15:40

if we're getting it so badly wrong,

why, when we look at all the cyclists running around,

all the different clubs come to Buckinghamshire

to ride their bikes?

We've got some Albans, we've got the Wickham,

well, Wickham, okay, they're in Buckinghamshire,

but we're seeing all these people

Hertfordshire, Bedfordshire and Oxfordshire and they're coming into our great county

because it's the most beautiful obviously but also it's got good roads as far as I can see

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:16:08

and they're getting better I agree with you there. Yeah absolutely and you know it's a delight when

we see people coming in from other places to enjoy Buckinghamshire it is as you say it is the most

beautiful county in the country you know we all believe that we wouldn't be here if we didn't.

Well I certainly agree with that. Penny?

Cllr David Carroll - 1:16:21

Cllr Penny Drayton - 1:16:25

Thank you. I'm not going to speak about potholes actually.

Not directly anyway. But I am speaking about funding.

I was just wondering if the officers could explain in a bit more detail about the funding which we have through Act Travel England.

So there's a capability rating which applies to each county between 0 and 4,

and we're level 2, which is right in the middle. I mean, normally it'd be 1 to 5,

would be 3, but any which way, we're right in the centre there, which means there is

obviously room for improvement. The funding which comes from that, I mean, is

extensive but I'd just like further explanation as to why we're at level two

and what is being done in order to progress us further because ultimately

it's fine to have all the aspirations you know picture up of where what we're

planning all that without funding we can't do that so how much time and sort

of dedication is being put into the improvement plan behind the scenes in order for the next

assessment which I understand is only a leap to make us go higher.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:17:50

I'm just going to jump in first because this is a personal bugbear of mine and I could

probably say some things that officers can't.

The way in which these levels are determined is worryingly ideological.

it is not based on who is most ambitious in their plans to deliver on active travel.

There are a number of criteria in there which are very much scaled around.

You would need to adopt very particular measures.

And one of the barriers that we face is that we do not see a role for an LTN -style solution

in Buckinghamshire.

and that places a major constraint on our ability

to get up that league table effectively,

get up that rating table.

I think that we should be considerably higher.

I think that actually in terms of what our ambition is,

there is certainly the room,

if we were placed at a higher rating,

to take that additional level of funding

and deploy it into delivering

fantastic active travel schemes.

It is the fact that we do not want to deliver

certain types of schemes that holds us back.

And as far as I'm concerned, that is a state imposed

ideological restriction on the delivery of active travel in

Buckinghamshire, basically because we're not socialist

enough for them.

And this really genuinely irritates me, because I think

we do very, very good work in this space.

I think we make incredibly good use of the funding that

we do receive.

I think government acknowledges that we make quite good use of the funding that we do receive

But because we're not you know willing to take up particular ideological position. We're not we're not willing to put in place a particularly

Oppressive solution we are restricted in the funding that we receive

Rebecca Dengler-Jones - Transport Safety Manager - 1:19:58

Yeah, that's a really good question and we just we as an authority to be honest are seen as very good

to travel on a rural authority situation.

Johnny and myself were presented at various national

Act of Travel England conferences, webinars

on the good practise that we're doing

and how we're delivering cost -effective schemes.

So the rating of level two, we started off as one of

a few, I'd say, in that sort of level.

We remained at that level.

It covers areas such as political engagement and support,

and we've been very high scoring in those areas.

All of the wider sort of promotional behaviour change work

that we're doing, how happy Active Travel England are

with the designs that we're putting forward

and how they're assessing them.

So all the scheme designs that we've put through so far

have been approved, they're happy with our engagement

and how we're engaging with the public.

But as Councillor Broome's mentioned,

the ambition to get to the next level

in terms of level three,

one of the things we have to do is more complex design

and the criteria for those are quite tight in terms of we would have to have projects which

reallocate road space away from traffic to cycling and walking, which we've done on a very small

scale. We have a section in Marlowe where we've done that but it's not massively impacted on

congestion levels. So the more ambitious locations have tended to be large urban centres and those

schemes have cost millions of pounds.

So we are having to think rationally about,

and we are proactively doing this,

what can we do in Buckley Machine,

which is going to be politically and publicly accepted,

that we're not having a major impact on congestion levels

in locations such as Elbury,

where we're being bombarded by HS2

and everything else that's going on,

to get us those ratings.

So we're doing that.

We're thinking sensibly about how we can tick

those criterias to move up,

because our ambitions there, our willingness that is there,

everything else we're doing in terms of the criteria

to get to that level, we're hitting.

It's just the complexity of designs

that we're focusing on our efforts at the moment.

So we're doing it, but we're trying to work out

how we can do it in Buckinghamshire,

which is politically and publicly acceptable.

Does that make sense?

I'm really happy with where we are

in terms of active travelling,

and they're really happy with us, so it's really positive.

Thank you.

Brilliant.

Cllr David Carroll - 1:22:30

Councillor Fulford.

Cllr Justine Fulford - 1:22:35

I'm not going to labour the point about the questions and issues very clearly raised by

my colleagues about funding, about interdepartmental working, but I did notice during the questions

that the focus is very much on potholed roads.

I'm a cyclist.

I'd like to go.

I like avoiding potholes, but I'm also a pedestrian,

and actually a lot of my active travel

is at the moment walking.

I often can't take my grandson along the pavement

because of parked cars.

We've got a new parking enforcement policy.

I'd like to know what they're going to be doing

about cars parked on the pavement,

what we're going to do about car traders,

who in Chesham, which we've got a, we're mainly small houses without parking.

The pavements, even where they are clear, are in a appalling condition.

Where there are dropped curbs, they're often spun, the pavements are spun up.

Some of the tree roots are so, that have damaged the footpath so much that if I'm taking,

my grandson prefers, he's only just turned two, but he's for a long time preferred walking.

It's a smoother and he doesn't like, I don't like taking him.

The pushchair tips all the time.

But if he's walking, there's a risk of him slipping.

And I also can't get the pushchair past parked cars.

So there's been very much a focus in our conversations

about the size of cars and what we're doing.

But there seems to be very little focus on walking in,

as you know, Thomas, because I talked to you

about it last time.

We've got the Etro in Chesham, which is limiting, in our pedestrian high street, it's limiting

traffic which is permitted to certain times of the day, which coincides with the school

children going to work, or people going to work.

So you're introducing that big bulk of pedestrian traffic and commuting in the mornings and

afternoons, you're introducing, or you're condensing all the

wheel traffic, because in fact, cyclists are banned from the high street, but

you're allowing the 44 -tonne trucks. There's a conflict there, and the

focus very much seems to be on cycling, but actually most people

will be walking. Their active trunk doesn't require any special equipment, it

shouldn't do. But sometimes you feel like you need to be mountaineering on our

footways. I'm very pleased that from this weekend we'll be getting work on the

Bochumstead Road improving the footway. That's going to take a month to sort

that out. I don't know what's going to happen with the displaced

parking if there's a plan for that while the footway works go on.

But I'm not aware of any other footway works planned. Some of our avenues in

in Chesham are almost unnavigable with a wheelchair

because of the tree roots.

I don't want to see rid of the trees,

but there needs to be an improvement programme.

And I'd also like to say, if you look at the map,

there's a lovely little twinkle around Chesham,

which is my ward, lovely little twinkle.

I want it to be stellar.

I want it to be a bright shining star.

Those roads go to my lovely rural parishes,

which is lovely to cycle to, but they stop.

They're not even connected.

Third largest town in Buckinghamshire

and our little inter -settlement corridors don't actually reach

to the Greenway or any of the other,

or the two largest towns in Buckinghamshire.

So yes, inter -departmental working.

One last thing.

Apparently you rank very highly in the, I don't know which,

I'd like to see the source for that

because the tables I've seen for highway repairs,

you're ranked as in behind schedules.

So I'd like a source for that information, please.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:26:46

Yes, well, on that one, the source

is the recently published assessment

of highway condition by the Department of Transport.

It's all entirely on the DFT website.

Quick Google will bring it up.

They assessed on three criteria, condition of road,

level of investment, and best practise

of deployment of that investment.

Condition, we along with almost everyone else,

were in the middle on Amber.

That's a reflection of the reality of roads

in the United Kingdom more generally.

But the other two criteria were that level of investment

and best practise in terms of how it's deployed.

Sorry.

Cllr Justine Fulford - 1:27:34

Are you rescuing the roads or are you investing in them?

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:27:37

Well, we would say investing in the roads.

There is a bit of a fantasy that is put out, I think, for political purposes that basically

if you just sort of fixed roads in a certain way, you never have to worry about them again.

But it's a somewhat silly position.

The highway is a constantly maintained capital asset.

There will never be a situation where we don't need to be maintaining the highway because

ET is degraded by its very existence, by its very use, the purpose for which it serves.

So there will always need to be investment in the highways.

There's no way of getting away from that.

You raised a number of points there I will attempt to get through, but do remind me if

I miss anything.

You talked a little bit about the ETRO in Chesham.

Not quite in my portfolio anymore is sitting with Steve Bowles, who has, because it's a

parking order technically.

But I think the thing that I would stress to people is that there has been a significant

vein of dishonesty in how this has been portrayed.

The consultation that took place, I think a month or so ago, was an exact replica of

consultation that took place previously, it is not seeking to change any conditions that

currently exist. We went back out to consultation because I think three or four signs hadn't

been put up as part of the previous works orders. And our team wanted to be as thorough

and open as possible, which is why it was only a very short consultation.

There has been an entirely political campaign to suggest the inverse of the truth.

And a number of residents of Chesham have written to me directly about it.

And I've been very happy to reassure them after extensive conversations with our officer team

and making them show me exactly what the consequences

of the consultation would be,

I am very happy to sit here on the public record

and say it's a consultation to retain

exactly the arrangements that are currently in place.

In terms of pavement parking, this is a perennial issue.

So at the moment, pavement parking is only banned

inside London, which is an utterly ludicrous position.

you know, why does London get special treatment?

There is a consultation that I'm not sure if it's underway

or it has finished now,

but the government is consulting on extending

pavement parking ban to the rest of the country.

I think we have responded positively to that consultation.

You know, it is a big cause of damage to footways,

which are simply not, from a structural point of view,

not designed to take the weight of a car.

We are aware that there'll be some knock -on impacts.

There are some places where there's

sort of established parking patterns

that people are happy with,

where people do park on the pavements,

and we will have to deal with that when we come to it.

But hopefully that process is underway.

We are also reorganising, as you mentioned,

our own parking provision,

and that will obviously dovetail with any changes

that are made at the national level.

In terms of investment, we'll come back to investment in footways.

I mentioned before that the 120 million pound road programme includes a 17 % uplift in capital

funding for roads, but it also includes a 25 % uplift in capital funding for footway

schemes.

Now, there is a bit of a balance on that because obviously we're managing fixing problems through

with revenue budgets, which is probably how the majority of work is carried out. Because

footways, in particular, do tend to degrade in particular places. But it means there's

a lot more capital funding available for those bigger schemes. Now, the way that we're working

through those, we are working through some of the more complex schemes first, which means

that actually we are deploying a relatively small number of schemes, I think, this year.

But that's because they are the most expensive and the most complex.

And as we get further and further through the programme, the advantage of that will be

that we've got those more complex schemes delivered.

So we can then be delivering more simpler schemes across the county as time goes on.

But again, that's only possible because of the conscious decision we've made to prioritise

roads for investments.

and that's only possible because of the 200 million pounds of efficiencies that

we've managed to achieve over the last five years, efficiencies that we'll

continue to realise over the next four years as well. But have I missed

anything? There was a fairly long list.

Cllr Justine Fulford - 1:32:47

Yes you did say you'd prioritise roads rather than footways, but my other

My question was, is there an ambition to get those little settlement corridors joined up

with the green land?

Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:33:05

And sorry, forgive me, yes, I did say roads, but I would hope that the fact that there's

actually a proportionately larger increase in investment to footways would demonstrate

our commitment to footways as well.

I think I would go back to the point I made to a number of colleagues today, which is that, you know, we have got

We have got this ambition. We we now need to

Develop it out. I mean you can see Chesham is marked on the map

That's still up on our screens areas one of the major settlements you see a number of

routes moving out from that

Including to Amazon where you connect up with the with the greenway

I think it's roughly the same answer, I'm afraid.

It's that, you know, we've set out an ambition, a vision,

that we want to get to, and we will just keep relentlessly

filling in that map every time we can find

some available funding to do it.

As I say, I think the track record of the team

in delivering that is exceptional.

I take no credit at all for this.

We've got a fantastic team who do a lot of work

with local members to make sure that that's all getting deployed and obviously the LCWIP itself was drawn up by

by my predecessor Steve Brodpet. So I'm attempting to sort of carry through that that excellent legacy

But it's that within that framework of funding as it becomes available will fill out more and more of the map

In terms of Chasham connectivity more widely

There is also a conversation that we've been having in terms of trying to improve bus service provision

And I don't know if you've had a conversation with James Lader on that

But we've been trying to connect Chesham directly to services particularly I think to Stoke Mandeville Hospital

Because that was a particular concern that that that is an ambition that's been somewhat hampered

Because we've had our capital funding for busses cut by 52 %

by the government, which makes things a little tricky.

But again, the ambition is there,

and we want to make sure everything's connected.

Very ambitious.

Cllr David Carroll - 1:35:16

I just want to.

Cllr Justine Fulford - 1:35:20

So I have one quick, because I didn't expand

on my dropped curb, because I did mention

that that was a problem where you come across a dropped curb

and you're going like that.

But actually, when you get to the end of the pavement,

quite often there isn't a dropped curb to take.

I do have a neighbour who is stranded in his house,

He's a wheelchair user.

He's a very independent person.

He can get himself up all the steps to get to his wheelchair.

He gets into his wheelchair at the top of his garden path.

He then can't get off the pavement 100 yards from his house

because there's no dropped curb.

I've requested a dropped curb.

I've been told repeatedly there's no money

and there won't be anything coming forward.

We really need to protect the dropped curbs for pedestrians

and protect, you know, by marking them out,

but also introducing them where they are on a walking route.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:36:13

The only suggestion I'd make on that is that obviously,

with similar schemes like that,

because you're effectively creating

a sort of informal crossing point,

it would often be the town council that would come forward

and help fund something like that.

So I think we'd be very open to an approach like that.

Cllr David Carroll - 1:36:28

You're gonna look into it anyway, aren't you?

Anyway, thank you. I thought it's so important to give time to this subject,

because it's important to everybody, isn't it?

And didn't you say about the local plan is crucial to this as well?

So can we please have you come back in the future to see where the challenges are in this,

because there's going to be many of them.

But you can clearly see today lots of debate, lots of good questions,

so important to all of us, so thank you very much for that. Thank you very much.

7 Performance Monitoring Q3 2025 to 2026

Right, performance indicators. It looks like the cabinet member for transport first. You

okay with that Thomas?

Yeah.

Thank you.

Yeah, they're coming over aren't they?

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:37:21

Apologies, Chair.

As committee members will have noticed,

I tend not to speak with notes.

So that means I haven't opened the,

I haven't actually opened the document yet, yes.

Cllr David Carroll - 1:37:33

Yeah, I think, good for Sally,

that I think the officer today on the previous subject

was brilliant.

Very knowledgeable, very enthusiastic, very passionate,

and I think that came across to everybody today.

do you actually think that?

I do, thank you.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:37:53

Right, Thomas.

And now we've got two other cabinet members stepping up.

Do you want me to just rattle crew

and then we'll ask the questions?

Go that way.

So I'll just draw everybody's attention to,

obviously you've got the report with our latest KPIs.

We have one red, which I'll come to first,

and this is the number of publicly accessible vehicle charging units.

We've had a couple of setbacks in this area.

We've got sort of two delivery projects, Levi and Orcs.

Orcs, unfortunately, we've had a particular issue.

I would try not to be too venomous.

We've had a particular issue with a partner who made a series of contractual commitments

to us that they would be able to deliver on deployment of a number of charging units,

which they have subsequently just reneged on.

And that's been incredibly frustrating for us and has slowed down our rollouts.

The one though that is more irritating is that we have an agreement, we put together

an agreement in terms of installing a number of charges under a government scheme, which

we negotiated a revenue sharing part of that agreement with the providers, which would

have provided a pretty significant revenue share coming back to Bucks

Council which obviously we can then use to reinvest in deploying more charging

points. However the Office for Zero Emission Vehicles decided that we had

been too successful and that our revenue share was too high so that's money that

would be coming back to provide services

for council taxpayers in Bucks was too high

from these private companies.

And so they made us go back and do it again.

I think this position is utterly absurd.

I think that as we do in all things,

we try and maximise value for money for council taxpayers

in Buckinghamshire.

And this would have been an excellent way to do it.

Zero cost to residents or consumers.

and providing a revenue stream in order to expand this programme.

But as I say, we were somewhat inexplicably told to go away and agree a lower revenue share.

So I won't go into too much detail about that fear of getting cross.

But what that means is that we've been delayed in getting those installed.

However, we are, this is an area where we are very ambitious

and we are gonna push forward with this rollout

despite the setbacks.

In terms of ambers, so we've got percentage of gullies

cleaned against the six -week -old gully programme,

we're 2 % adrift on that.

We fully expect to make that up.

In fact, at this point at which I'm speaking,

it may well have been made up already.

This is basically just come from a slightly higher

than usual number of gullies that were obstructed

by vehicles when we went to clear them out.

But it's only 2 % drift, but obviously we are very fastidious

with this particular target because we know how important

this is to residents.

We know that there are serious consequences

if we don't get these cleaned.

And obviously anything that is obstructed

when our teams get to it gets put onto a follow -up programme

so that our teams will then go back and finish it.

fill in the gaps as it were.

But that is well on track to deliver.

I think those are our only reds and ambers.

I think everything else is green,

but I have to take questions on any rating.

Cllr David Carroll - 1:42:05

Councillor Sheehan, and then Penny.

Cllr Anja Schaefer - 1:42:11

Thank you, Chairman.

Thank you, Councillor Broome, for the update.

There are a number of KPIs,

obviously the two that you have mentioned, and if I may,

I'll take them together.

The question really is what are we doing about it,

so how much longer are we now expecting this scheme to take?

We have been talking about it for at least two years,

or ever since I've been on the council,

and clearly residents might want to have an idea

of when this might now happen, despite the setback.

Then the gullies cleaning again, what accounts?

Do we have any idea of what accounts for the higher than usual problem with parked cars

and what can be done about it?

I would also like to pick you up on a couple of other ones.

They are the non -regulated, non -RAG performance indicators, but one that really stuck in my

mind was the public satisfaction with condition of road surfaces.

and I do apologise for bringing this up again,

but I'll only do it the once now,

where our target was 14 % satisfaction rates

and somehow we still managed to fall short of that.

So could you please explain to us why this is an ambitious

target as you have been promising us

that you are aiming for, generally speaking,

And also what are we doing to increase the,

that's on the home to school transport arrangements

for students with SEND provisions where we,

I think only have 75 % of arrangements in place for,

at the start of the school year, and it should be much higher.

And apologies if I have misquoted.

It might be a slightly different figure.

But what are we doing to get this up to target?

And I do appreciate that the relevant officers cannot be with us this morning.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:44:16

So that might be a question that you might have to refer back to.

Yes, I think an important correction there, potentially available mainstream students

with transport places for the start of the academic year is sitting at 98 %

and 85 % for SEND students.

So they are slightly higher, although we would obviously always like for them to be higher than that.

I think there is an element there which is simply complexity,

and there are a number of students, particularly on the SEND side, who are coming to us late.

So what that performance indicator doesn't take into account is where transport has been applied for

after the period in which it should have been.

I don't want to attribute blame in that sense.

You know, parents who are trying to get kids with SEND provision

into the right setting and the right time.

It's a complex procedure and sometimes

things just don't happen on time

and we don't want to criticise anybody for that.

But obviously we will always try and push that

further and further back in the process.

We've very much had an ambition to have as much engagement

as early as possible with parents.

Obviously this element of provision

does come to us at quite a late stage because the assessment is all done

elsewhere and then it comes to us on the transport side to do the operational

beds. There is also an element in there by the way which is you know we do get

people who are coming into the county you know who may be transferring at a

later period as well but obviously we'll always have the ambition to get that as

as high as we possibly can.

The public satisfaction KPI is, I think,

one of the ones that is mandated.

It's an odd one because it's entirely subjective.

And so in large part, the response that you get

to the survey depends on when you ask the survey questions

because you'll get different parts of the year,

at different parts of the winter where conditions are particularly bad.

If you had gone out and sort of asked the majority of your survey respondents in October

or November last year, I think you would have got a pretty good number because actually

the number of defects on the highway was very low for the time of year.

Obviously, if you'd gone out and asked people in the end of January or the beginning of

February, you would have got a much lower number because that is the point at which

the defects emerged based on the conditions.

So it is a strange one, I do agree with you.

It's an old measure.

It doesn't measure, well, I say it's an old measure.

It doesn't measure anything objectively.

And so it's very hard to benchmark

and it's very hard to sort of make progress up or down

in terms of how you're affecting that number.

The final point about EV charging points, the fact that we've had difficulty in a couple

of schemes has not stopped us from rolling them out.

So we do have units that are deploying.

I was up in, I think, Wendover towards the end of last year where we just got another

five in the ground.

So the work does continue, even if we're being given a little bit of trouble in being frustrated

somewhat by government on that one.

In terms of the gullies, I can't tell you why more people have chosen to park their

vehicles over trains at any particular time of the year.

But I can absolutely assure you that the way that the system is designed is that we expect

this to happen.

You know, it is in the nature of these things that will be vehicles parked over drains.

And so it's fully factored into the programme that we have these sort of roundup routes

whereby drains and gullies that we couldn't access on a previous occasion will be attended

and cleared.

So it will happen.

It's a bit of seasonal variance, I think.

If you go back and look at some of the previous measures on this KPI, sometimes we're a

a little ahead, sometimes we're a little behind.

It naturally depends on things like weather

and where people are parked.

But it's very much built into our established practise

to make sure we don't miss anything.

Penny.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 1:49:19

Thank you.

It's actually a question about one of your green areas.

Just for clarification, category one defects,

that includes potholes?

So, thank you.

So our target is 95 % and the outrun is 98%,

which is obviously, you know,

brilliant because no one would expect 100%.

But how is it actually sort of recorded on that?

Because the, so the indicators are category one defects

repaired in five working days.

Category one defects, those that do not represent

immediate hazard but safety implications and likely to require priority attention.

Now obviously I didn't mention potholes last time, mentioning potholes now.

Everyone in the county is aware of the potholes, the situations. I know in our

area they are not being fixed in five working days and the areas around me it's

not just our ward, I'm not taking it totally personally. Now whether we are

that 2 % but I'm just wondering are you classing that from reporting, from

inspection, how is that five days clocked, where are you monitoring from and why

aren't we monitoring maybe from reporting because I know ones which

being reported have been acknowledged as safety concerns but still haven't been

done weeks later. I just find a 98 % surprising and wondering how we're

in that data because it certainly isn't reflective

of experience in real life.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:51:06

Yeah, so there are a number of categories of defects.

So you'll have, at the very top of the pile,

you'll have urgent safety -critical repairs.

So an example of that would be when we had some issues

on the Tindwick Bypass earlier on in the year,

which I think made it into the press.

You know, we had defects that emerged

in heavy rain overnight.

cars have been travelling over that stretch without an issue the day before, people suddenly

find themselves losing two tyres because of what's there.

We had the road, or we had that lane certainly closed and repairs underway within an hour

or two.

So that's the highest category, that's the safety critical stuff, that's where we will

and try and get out as quickly as we possibly can

but within a matter of hours to fix those.

Category one is stuff that's not safety critical

but we think potentially is going to cause damage

and needs to be programmed very quickly

and that's five day repairs.

Then you've got 28 day repairs,

so that's the stuff that's more cosmetic

and I do appreciate that there is a difficult line there because there are a lot of defects

which can look very bad but actually have very little likelihood of causing any damage

to vehicles for example. All of this is determined through inspection because obviously in order

to determine whether something is a five -day repair or a 28 -day repair, it has to be inspected

by a highway inspector to make that determination. Safety critical stuff right at the top of

the pile tends to be very obvious and residents are fantastic in terms of the way that they

report things on FixMyStreet that very often will attach photographs so that we can have

a look at something and go, right, that's a really serious one, we need to get out immediately.

The reason why we've managed to keep up on the five -day repairs is

because we have searched our capacity on the network.

Given the number of defects that emerged over such a short period of time,

the only way we've been able to do it is by consistently ramping up the number

of teams we have out there making repairs.

As I say, we've more than doubled now.

I think right now we've got 34 crews out on the network.

and that means that we can sort of keep that five day period,

keep as close to that as we possibly can.

I remember as well that these are somewhat

backward looking figures, so I would expect

the majority of the impact of what's going on

may well play out in the next set of figures as well.

But obviously we've got that priority list and that's the order in which we work.

So the thing that we're making absolutely sure we're doing is the safety critical.

After that is then the five days.

After that is the 28 days.

And then obviously there's a piece where we've got issues,

where we've got defects that are more cosmetic than structural, that look bad,

but are not likely to cause damage and are not a safety risk.

that often will then be bumped over on to sort of to be looked at from a capital perspective

because you've got a road surface degradation issue.

But it's a very difficult line to have to draw so it's done by the highway's inspectors.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 1:54:52

Thank you, sorry but when does it actually take place?

So if somebody reports on FixMyStreet does the five days start then?

or do we wait three weeks for it to be inspected and it starts then? I mean I've

got examples of both and I believe these went up to the end of January so I would

have thought the figures from January would be in there and acknowledging

obviously that minor potholes which residents might get upset about are not

seen as a safety hazard but we've had ones which are serious safety issues for

the fact that they're blowing out tyres. We were also, I was in a situation where a bus almost

swerved into me trying to avoid one. So just trying to understand when does that five days

take effect that we're managing to get 98 % on because as I say, I've got examples of both. I'm

not understanding how everything's getting turned around in five days when we're seeing potholes

that have been marked but sitting there for weeks and not being filled. Thank you.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:55:54

If you've got something that's been sitting there for more than five days, then it's probably not

five -day repair. I mean the point at which it's been marked up it has been

inspected because it's it's it's marked up by the inspector. The five -day period

is from the inspection. There's there's no practical way of managing it in any

other way but there will be things that will go on the that will go for a 28 -day

repair and obviously that's not you know we're not intending to do it in 28 days

time but that's the window and obviously we try and repair as close in as we we possibly can.

In terms of the numbers the reason I say there may be some of this is more pushback is

you're absolutely right January is in these figures but actually when you look at how this

has manifested we had the really cold weather in in January for a couple of weeks and then we had

the really wet weather right at the end of January

into February, and that's when we saw a massive escalation

in the number of reports.

So that's why I say it may well play through

into another set of figures.

But yeah, so anything that's sitting there

for more than the five days

will probably be a 28 -day report.

Cllr David Carroll - 1:57:09

Finally, Andy.

Cllr Andy Huxley - 1:57:14

Thank you, Chairman.

I wish I could call them something else but to do with potholes.

I recently, I pulled on Fix My Street, a pothole which was on Broughton Lane here in Aylesbury, on top of the bridge.

And it was repaired within five days, which I'm very pleased about.

But within about five yards of it was another pothole which wasn't done.

So my concern is do what happens in that case, you know, it just seems crazy that somebody's there and

They don't an on slightly different subject and like to applaud the work that was done on the the a41 us to Clinton bypass

which

Gave me a very smooth run yesterday. Thank you

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:58:06

Good. Yes. Well, we are we are bringing forward a very substantial investment in the a41 as well

I think there's about four million of investment. That's that's that's going to go into

resurfacing the road as well.

That has been of all our major roads, I think,

in this rather difficult period weather -wise,

I think the 41's probably been the most impacted.

And I've had Greg Smith, the local MP,

has been on to me pretty consistently about the 41.

I'm very pleased that we've been able to bring forward

some of that repair work.

Yes, this issue of why have you done this one

and not another one. Partly it's an issue of resource prioritisation. It will be that

the one that got filled was a five -day repair because it was more serious and the other

one may be done on another occasion because it's gone into the 28 -day category.

It's actually deeper than the other one.

Well, look, it's something we're always aware of. It's something that we are looking to

to see if we can find better ways of programming

so that we are drawing some more of those together.

I think that's probably actually more of an issue

for us on the commissioning side.

The one thing, but the thing that I always try

and reassure residents with is that,

you know, because people say, well, you know,

you're paying for them to come out twice,

but actually the framework agreement we have

means that we pay for the repair that is done

and that's a fixed cost.

So if we come out and do a five day and then come out a week later and do a 28 day, we

still only pay the cost for each individual repair.

So we're not repeating costs in that way.

And I appreciate that that's a bit of a different way of understanding.

But it is something we're always working on.

And the more streamlined we can get it, the more we will do.

But there is always going to be a bit of a balance between, we quite like contractors

to go out and fix multiple defects at the same time,

including ones that may not have been reported to us,

but at the same time we don't want to be in a position

where contractors can effectively write themselves

a blank cheque by saying,

oh, well we found 20 more defects

and we've done those as well.

Cllr Andy Huxley - 2:00:27

It was only that the other one had been reported

and it just seemed after the review.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:00:31

Just a quick, Mike.

We might regret the prosperity that time.

By 841 we need access to these by -carves.

So, the access to these in Rome really wasn't round about.

The potholes there are seriously dangerous.

It's my understanding that that's not,

because the worker's gotta start building the new van,

that's gonna be, that won't touch.

It's gonna get worse than anything.

So the work that's being done for the money

on the bypass that in both these events is better than the disaster situation either side of the

of what's been found there.

Cllr Thomas Broom - 2:01:13

Yeah, so because that, there's significant potential development happening there and I think part of that includes

redoing that roundabout if I'm remembering correctly and that will mean that a lot of that work is then delivered

by the developer rather than us as they refresh the roads.

The 841 is obviously, it's a very long road,

it covers large parts of the county.

So there are different scenarios in different bits of it.

Thank you.

Just one back.

What I mean, I'm listening to the project on the pattern

on Thursday, I think, and I'm trying to rotate

the issue with Jake because it is an issue

that's down about, whether it's part of the table,

whether you've programmed to do something with it,

but something needs to be done.

Yeah, I mean, feel free to raise it.

I definitely talked to your local highways bot as well,

just to make sure that those two sides are linked.

But yeah, I didn't see why you couldn't raise it.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:02:16

Okay, that's that.

Thank you for that.

Can I just thank you for the gully work,

because my residents are very thankful

It's so important in rural areas, it really is, and thank you for that.

Can we move on to communities, please?

We've got Councillor Waite.

Okay, thank you.

I'll keep this brief.

There's only a couple.

Cllr Ashley Waite - 2:02:35

Obviously in Q3, the household support fund, we continue to basically drive the average

member person down, but it's still over target, generally as a result of inflation issues

and everything else, and obviously the number of new domestic abuse champions recruited

and trained.

Obviously in Q3 that dropped significantly because we couldn't obviously run any training

in order to allow the delivery of the annual domestic abuse board conference.

And the green one is obviously a percentage of invalid PCNs,

which were basically written, which continues to fall

from 3 % to 2 % error rate.

Any questions at all?

Oh, sorry.

Oh, right.

Sorry.

I'm sorry.

Thank you.

I just had a quick question in respect to the household support fund.

The target figure of 688 pounds as the average spend, is that per annum or is that per support?

That's the case, yeah.

So that covers whatever.

Cllr Arman Alam - 2:04:02

So the support is one off basically?

Yes.

Yeah.

Cllr Ashley Waite - 2:04:10

And we are obviously looking at basically addressing this.

To get the most value out of this, we would look at doing,

per the most severe cases, a range of white goods.

We would look at potentially beds and everything else, no problem.

We're now, in order to basically move that forward,

in looking at what items we can do,

reconditioned items or secondhand items,

and obviously looking at different areas for purchasing as well in order to basically continue to drive that down.

Can I ask where that figure comes from and how that's been calculated as this is so,

Cllr Arman Alam - 2:04:48

because surely different people may have different needs and the amount they require would be different.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:04:58

I'm going to have to come back to you on that one. I don't have that to hand. Okay.

Any other questions? There's not.

Thank you very much.

Could we move on to the cabinet member for, welcome actually,

Environment, Climate Change and Waste portfolio.

Thank you very much, Chair.

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:05:17

Thank you very much, Chair.

I'm happy to run the committee through the key performance indicators

for the Environment, Climate Change and Waste.

In light of the topical issues around flight tipping,

I'd like to start on page 78.

I'm sure the committees are well deferets announcement of his intention to publish a new action plan

and to tackle waste crimes. This would include guardians on existing parts to crushed vehicles

used for flight tipping. It will also expand the use of technology and expedite convictions against

vehicle owners. This measures some of them already been implemented in box but we will wait for

the details to see what else we can adopt. In box we have secured four prison sentences handed down

to flight tippers. Those 12 months sentence, a 16 -month sentence and a ban of 21 months from

driving. Another was another 15 months and 21 months. I haven't named the persons for

confidentiality reasons. We've also seen a continued increase in defectiveness of

enforcement measures. Whilst in 2024 we had 30 FPNs issued with 16 prosecutions.

In 2025 we had 77 FPNs with 13 prosecutions. Within the report you would

see that our target of 90 percent, our turn was 99 .4 percent, so we would

continue to prosecute flight tippers. We encourage residents to please continue

to report this on FixMyStreet and we warn flight tippers that if they do get

caught they will be prosecuted. I will then go on to the second item which on

also on page 78 that's a number of tonnes of carbon dioxide saved per annum in

eligible households across Buckinghamshire as a result of the 2025 -26

Energy Doctor Scheme. I would like to say that this scheme is currently being

wound down. It will end on the 31st of March 2026 and it's going to be replaced by the

Warm Homes Local Grant. This new grant would have a 3 million capital and our

target is a retrofit of 200 plus homes by March 2028 with an expected CO2

reduction of 160 tonnes per year and we currently have 230 referrals since

October 2025. But specifically on the Energy Doctor scheme you would see that

we had a target of 52 and an upturn of 79 which has also been an improvement and

performance has remained above the forecast and exceed the scheme end

end target and our in -house target too. I'll now move on to the next one which is

missed bins and that you see on page 79. This indicator measures the number of missed domestic

bins divided by the total number of households and is expressed as a percentage. The target was

0.20%. I'm happy to report that our outturn was 0 .06%, which is also an improvement on our previous targets.

The indicator which we had in red you'll find on page 76.

And this deals with the percentage of household waste recycling rates.

This indicator measures the total amount of household waste that is sent for reuse, recycling, composting or anaerobic digestion, divided by the total number of household waste collected and expressed as a percentage.

The target for this indicator was 50 .9, we had an out turn of 48 .2.

Now this has been due to the continued warm weather during the target of the

US analysed period which reduced the amount of green waste collected from

households for composting. But what we are doing to improve this indicator is

to continue to encourage our residents to sort their waste and with current

also encouraging the change of behaviours. We have campaigns running to promote reuse,

recycle and composting to residents and improve their to improve our recycling performance.

The last indicator which I'll report on is on the residual household waste. This indicator

measures the average weight in kilogrammes of non -recyclable waste collected but not recycled.

Now our target was 510 kg. Our turn was just one shot of that. We had 511.

Now what we are hoping would help boost this target is a simpler

recycling waste scheme which has currently been introduced to ensure that

we can collect food waste from our flats across the county. We believe if we take

food waste out from the general waste bins, it will ensure that we can reduce

the amount of residual waste in our collection system. I'm happy to take

questions on those indicators. Thank you.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:11:15

When the flight comes in, there's obviously the scourge of everybody in

Buckinghamshire, but well done on this, but communication to the public out to

report this, because it's a big deal, big deal isn't it? I know I worked with my parents

Council on this sort of stuff that some people always ask me how would you report

this you said fix my street so can we make something a bit more easier or

publicise how we can do report these these situations yes yeah I'm happy to

go away with that and see how what other measures we can give to residents

report flight tip and we currently encourage residents of report via Fix My

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:11:53

Street but we are always open to new suggestions and if anybody has any

please they could forward it to us and we'll take that on.

Cllr Michael Collins - 2:12:05

Mike. Thank you Chairman. Last week I believe it was you chaired the rural

forum. It was an excellent meeting I have to compliment the team. It became pretty

obvious to me that we have a lot of expertise within that team when it comes

to trees and shrubs.

What concerned me was that I go, I'm on three parish councils,

and we have the same conversation.

We want to plant trees.

We want to plant shrubs.

Where do we put them?

What trees?

What plants do we plant?

And how do we look after them?

That information is available to us through the group that

was at that meeting.

And I'm concerned there is a communications issue between the parish council and this

team that we have.

Because one thing that I think became very obvious, we plant trees, but there is no water

or maintenance condition applies to it.

And I think that also extends to our planners.

Because although we enter into an agreement with a developer, they're going to plant 150

new trees.

But there's no condition that we that maintain or we have a maintenance

Programme I have an example of only last week at Hannon fields

I watched 70 trees being planted so I stopped the car spoke to the chat day

He said well the condition is we planted 70 trees just here. I said then what it's all believe them

Surprise surprise and a year two years they pull them out because they did there was no

maintenance agreement to ensure that those trees that have been planted are looked after.

And I think it's something that maybe the team need to work closely with the planners.

So when they put conditions down with developers, the need to maintain the

the well -being of that tree and shrub is considered because it's not at the moment.

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:14:10

Thank you very much for that, Councillor Collins.

Just to explain a little bit on that, the tree, box tree mission is the project you're

referring to and that's the council's aim to plant over 500 ,000 trees by 2031.

Now these trees which we capture are either trees planted on council land or trees planted

with partners such as council, parish council, town councils or land owners. If, and I stand to be

corrected, if the trees you refer to are ones that are within this the scheme, I'm sure there's a way

we can look at the concerns you've raised because you talked about developers. I'm not sure if that's

within the scheme but we do...

with the planning team, it's a condition of,

and my point is, I think those conditions,

sorry, those conditions should be extended

to ensure that those trees that are planted are maintained.

We want the wellbeing of those trees to be considered,

but at the moment, planners are just being obliged,

or sort of developed, so being obliged

under the conditions of approval to plant the trees,

but there's no obligation for them to look after them.

Thank you very much Councillor Collins. Just to clarify that I was trying to distinguish between the trees planted or the box trees mission and those yes.

So with regards to ones planted by developers we're currently working on our tree strategy which we hope to bring, which we hope to complete within this council term.

And that would address concerns such as the ones you're raising.

Councillor Fulpitt.

Cllr Justine Fulford - 2:15:57

I'm really pleased to see the excellent results from the number of tonnes of carbon dioxide

reduced.

But there is no performance syndicate improvement in ambition.

And the Energy Doctor Scheme has come to an end.

So I'd like to know what's being done to reinstate a service or a service similar to it.

Also, we've got, you know, note the fly tipping successes,

but is there any indication that the success of Buckinghamshire Council in tackling this horrible problem

is pushing it onto private land,

leaving landowners facing tens of thousands of pounds

worth of clear -up costs, because that seems to be something,

I think it was mentioned at the rural forum as well.

You know, it's all very well,

and what is this council doing to assist farmers

and rural landowners, or any private landowners?

We have the same problem in Chesham,

in the urban parts of town is that we have spaces

which are used for fly tipping

and Buckinghamshire can't do anything about it.

It's down to the private land owner.

So it's two questions.

What are we doing to reinstate Energy Doctor

for a similar scheme and fly tipping on private land?

How are we helping?

Thank you very much for that question,

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:17:39

Councillor Fofield.

The first question with regards to Energy Doctor,

I can confirm that we have the WAMS home local grant, which is currently implemented now.

That grant targets over 200 plus homes by March 2028.

That would replace the Energy Doctor Scheme.

On the question of fly tipping, there is no evidence that fly tippers know which lands

are council lands or which lands are privately owned.

They just fly tip wherever they see is most convenient.

The reason why we're reducing on council land is because we've got good surveillance teams.

We're using technology to see how we can catch flight tippers in the act.

So my recommendation to private landowners who I speak with is also to see how they can put surveillance on their areas,

which are prone to flight tip, so we can catch this, fly these criminals and prosecute them.

Cllr Justine Fulford - 2:18:36

That's good advice and you know they were I'm sure they'll take but but what is this

Council actively doing to assist is is there anything that they can are they?

Is there equipment that they can loan to land owners or have on some sort of higher scheme?

I think you know no flight if we can get to anywhere without going on the highways whether that's walking or

board or driving

So what are we doing to assist those landowners?

Thank you very much for that question.

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:19:07

That's why we're actually looking forward to the action plan being proposed by DEFRA.

One of the things that have been mutated is the ability to cross cars used for flight.

So we will analyse this legislation and whatever else comes out from central government and see how we can expand our powers.

We are happy to cooperate with private land owners.

When we get flight up in reports, we do go and investigate it.

And we do encourage people to continue to report it.

Because that's the only way we can catch these criminals and stop the bad habit in the county.

Thank you.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:19:43

Ed?

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 2:19:45

Great. Thanks for that.

Just in context, since we last were in this room, we've had a report from a group with one of the top climate scientists in the world

saying that the acceleration of global warming,

so the speed at which it is going up,

has itself accelerated.

In this decade, we're going up at 0 .35 C per decade,

which is faster than any before, 50 % up

on what it was 50 years ago.

So in that context, and I mean, obviously, there's

a complement for reducing some emissions from the Energy

Doctor scheme.

But I mean, the amount of tonnes that reduce there, actually,

when we equate it to the emissions

optimistically from the government of five

tonnes per household or the more realistic about 12 tonnes per household, it's half a dozen up

to about 15 households.

I mean, it's really a drop in the ocean.

Question on the KPIs.

Do we set them ourselves?

And if we do, can we start setting some more?

And let's set some about biodiversity.

How are we improving biodiversity in our county through the local nature recovery strategy

or whatever?

But let's put some KPIs on it so we can see what happens.

Water, you know, polluted waterways, waterways from Thames Water now trashing, continuously

trashing everything here.

What are we doing?

What can we do to improve our waterways and what KPIs can we put in place there?

In general emissions, you know, what are we doing to get the county's emissions down to

zero by 2050?

However much that's deplorably late and won't do much to help us internationally.

What are we actually doing?

How are we on track?

What are the KPIs showing us how we've come there?

a separate KPI, but is also with these measures,

are we looking at the economic opportunities

that come from this?

So what money can be generated within this portfolio

by doing some of these things correctly,

and whether that's on the recycling,

by turning it into a resource efficiency thing

that is generating more money.

I'm sure that some things are being done,

but are we looking at KPIs to actually improve

the economic performance on it?

On trees, how many trees are we saving?

I mean, we're planting some trees,

And as was pointed out by Mike, a lot of them are dying because they aren't looked after.

But more specifically, we're having all these developments coming in,

they're going to trash a whole load more trees.

How are we saving them?

What plans have we got to save those trees, get change plans and or move those trees,

and what we, you know, onto the same sites or into the local area to try

and preserve those trees, that canopy cover?

You talked about the energy doctors.

I mean, just a comment, say 200 more houses or households helped

in the next three years is only just over one a week.

Can't we do more than one a week?

Thank you very much for those questions, Councillor Gammell.

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:22:29

I'll start by saying when we take actions towards supporting

the climate and the environment, it's important that we look

at the collective actions.

So I notice in your question, you haven't looked at the efforts we're taking towards recycling, improving those rates, tree planting, which would improve also the cabin in the air.

So I think looking at the whole approach the Council has taken, there are progressive steps which I think would eventually make a difference.

On the question around polluted waters and capturing that, that's an environment agency area.

It's not something that the council has direct control over, just to point that out.

On the question on economic, what we can achieve financially from this, we have the energy

for waste plant, which we use.

And that's one of the initiatives that was brought in within the council.

So that generates revenue.

But if there are any other ones you may have, we're happy to take your suggestions on and

explore those as alternatives as well. On the tree planting, I think it's important, and I keep

sorry, yeah, tree saving. I think it's important that when we discuss about trees,

which you try and distinguish between those that are being planted under the box tree mission and

those being planted by developers. On the box tree mission, there is a way we take care of our trees.

There is a way we replant the ones that don't survive.

So we have a way of doing that.

The same with developers.

I would assume that there will be something augmented

but with the tree strategy which we're currently working on.

Once that document comes through as a policy,

then things will be much clearer for everybody.

Yes, I think your last question was with regards to biodiversity.

We have the NNRS which we're currently working on implementing,

and that would also be able to capture a lot more of that.

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 2:24:25

The specific question was can we have some KPIs on all these things so we can see how

they're actually improving?

And on the trees, it was more specifically about saving, as in moving and saving current

trees.

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:24:35

Well, saving current trees will be trees that we have control over.

We can't save trees we haven't got control over, hence why I distinguish between the

developer planted trees and those that we plant.

The ones we plant, we do maintain them.

And if you have concerns around those ones, I'm happy to take that on and see how we can

improve that.

But with regards to the developer planting trees,

once the tree strategy comes out,

then there will be proper guidance there

as to what is expected from developers

when they plant their trees.

Then with regards to the LNR, like I said earlier on,

that is a work in progress,

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 2:25:15

which will address the biodiversity concerns you may have.

Am I correct in saying it wasn't the planting?

It's tree moving.

and what are we doing to encourage, inspire, organise, put pressure on for

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:25:29

moving living trees not the planting part? Well I think the best thing I'll

say on that, Mr. Campbell, is with regards to tree moving, if there's any particular area you

would like us to look at, but I'll say you wait for the tree strategy, that will

surely address that as well, but saying that now I can't speak too much on that,

but the box through mission that we have is talking about plants and trees, not moving trees.

The science and evidence around tree moving is something that I'd expect the experts to also deal with,

which would also be captured in a new strategy.

So I wouldn't want to comment more on that because I have got the evidence around that.

And this then, yeah.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:26:10

Three more questions and then we're tidied up. Andy.

Cllr Andy Huxley - 2:26:13

Thank you, John.

It's to do with household recycling.

My concern is that households' recycling rates seem to be falling.

I visit our local recycling place down Raymond Lane

and wonder each time I go there why it seems to be reducing all the time.

Do you think that because there are two days when the place is closed on a Wednesday and Thursday,

whether that has any impact on recycling?

And the other situation basically is whether that has any impact on fly tipping as well?

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:27:10

Thank you for that Councillor Hoxley. Recycling and fly tipping are behavioural matters. It's resident behaviour to sort their waste or to dispose of their waste properly.

I would not excuse fly tipping as a result

of the opening times of an HRC.

Based on the evidence we've used in determining

when the HRCs should be opened, they're opened at the times

when they're most used, and there's no period of time

where all our HRCs are closed.

What we also try and achieve is to ensure that even

if a HRC is closed, there'll be another one within proximity

that residents can access.

So I won't use that as an excuse.

With regards to waste sorting, there's

a lot more enlightenment that's needed,

and we're encouraging that.

We have an educator who goes around and does

try and educate schools and also residents

as to what to put in what bin.

I'm happy I was at the Elmer School in Elsbury here a few days back and when I

engaged the assembly on what bit what you put what wish you put in what bin a

lot of the kids there knew what wasted they could put in what bin so there is a lot of

education within the younger generations as to what bins and what

Cllr Andy Huxley - 2:28:48

whiskers and what bin and I'm happy to have seen that on that visit. Yes I don't

that as a problem but it's just wondering whether that because the centre if you like is closed on

two days whether that has any effect on recycling whether I'm not really worried too much about the

fly tip inside but whether the recycling side of it is it works in closing the centre down for

for two days.

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:29:20

So the reason why I raised this issue of sorting is

in the north of the county,

in all over the county, we've got the recycling bin.

So each household has a recycling bin.

And all our residents encourage put recyclable waste

in the recycle bin, not the general bin.

If we can get that embedded in our residents,

then we would see those rates improve.

And that's all we're trying to achieve.

Thank you.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:29:55

Council Spierta.

Thank you Chairman.

Cllr Anja Schaefer - 2:30:01

I'm following on a little bit from Councillor Gemmell's question,

although I'm not repeating the question as such.

We know, obviously, we have the tree planting target.

I'm not against the tree planting target.

It's a good thing to be doing.

But how many, and it's easy to count how many trees we have planted.

So it's a nice target to have, but it's from a nature perspective

and from a climate perspective, not the best one.

So the best measure would be, if you're looking at trees, would,

or a better measure would be to look at canopy cover.

That can also be done.

I know it's not something that we can implement tomorrow.

But a question that I would raise

is, as we are developing the tree strategy,

are we considering putting in a measure of the overall canopy

so that at least we have a baseline?

So that's one question.

The other question is also slightly obliquely related

to tree planting.

As I said, I have no objections to tree planting at all.

However, there is an argument that in many situations you might get as good a result,

if not a better result, if you let trees recover naturally, if you let themselves seed.

It's not suitable for every single situation and it will not restore species that have

disappeared from the landscape.

But in many cases, it will produce tree saplings that are, shall we say, well suited to the particular soil

and that might in fact require less maintenance.

And related to that, there is an argument that goes further, that's not just to do with trees,

but that is with the nature recovery strategy as a whole.

and it is purely a question, have we considered rewilding strategies in any areas of the county

and if so, how and where have we done it?

And if not, is it something that we would consider to do in future?

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:32:19

All right, and thank you so much for those questions, Councillor Shafer.

First of the kind of, I know you've asked this question before and I know the answer was

around the costs implication of assessing and analysing the overall canopy in the county.

And that cost is still a big concern. But I'm happy to take on your recommendations when we're

putting together the true strategy to see what we can do with regards to addressing that concern

you've raised a couple of times now. With regards to self -seeding which you talked about,

I think what we've done is to see how we can plant the right trees in the right place.

And there's a lot of science done by our tree team in analysing what trees we need to put where.

I think the concern that may arise from self -seeding is the maintenance of those trees.

Who takes responsibility for them and how do they grow?

So that's something else we can do.

That's something we can also take on to see how trees,

that self seed can be better managed

and who will be responsible for that.

Because what you find is as much as I get a lot of people asking

for us to plant trees, I also have some people asking

for us to cut down trees.

So it's a good balance, hence why with the box tree mission,

we're planting trees in the right places

to reduce the potential for you to bring them down.

because that also comes out at a cost.

On the point of rewilding, which you raised,

that is one of the instruments we have in the LNRS,

which I must stress is a guide.

So whilst the landowners can use that as a reference point

as to what best to use their land for,

if rewilding is one of the items being proposed by the LNRS,

then they can do that, but it's not an obligation.

So it is one of the elements that's in the LNRS,

and I'm happy to have a further chat with you on that afterwards

and talk you through the LNRS.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:34:29

Remember to put it on this time.

Cllr Michael Collins - 2:34:35

I think, to take Ed's comment about replanting these trees,

I have watched over the last three weeks

huge numbers of trees that have been physically cut down,

I think primarily because they,

the trees and shrubs,

because they need to be down before the,

before we have problems with the birds wanting to nest,

et cetera, et cetera.

But they were coming along with a huge machine

that cut the tree down to about 18 inches from the ground

and basically left it there.

They then have to come along with a grinding machine to get rid of the stump and the root.

And now I've watched on, and I've got no experience with this, but I've watched on television

where you've got machines at the moment that can come in and grab the hole of the tree from its root and lift it up.

Now surely when we talk about cost -benefit analysis, there is a beauty retained with an existing tree that we could capture.

So I can't see the argument as to why we cannot, through the developers, accept that they can bring benefit.

They look pretty, they look nice, so I think it's something we should be considering.

Got the answer?

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 2:36:02

Yeah, we've got the answer. I mean, in Hazelmere we are in discussions with Red Wren Persimmon about digging them out and replanting them.

If you Google for tree spades, because you're talking about a tree spade, the number one

company that comes up, which isn't very big, but that comes up happens to be based in Hazelmere,

which we didn't even know until about two or three weeks ago.

So there is a company in Hazelmere that's importing tree spades from Poland up to about

40 grand in terms of cost to do that for smaller trees.

They can actually make any size of tree spade you want.

I mean, it then goes into the hundreds of thousands, but we could potentially, whether

it's a community group or us be getting one massive tree spade and it could be

being done all the time everywhere to do that. It is absolutely possible.

You literally, the tree spade goes in, digs up a hole, dumps it on the side. You go to where

the tree is, you dig the tree up with exactly the same root bowl, you pop it

back, you plop it back in. Clearly it's not that simple to keep it, make it alive,

but I mean that's essentially what happens and it's very, can be very

Cllr David Carroll - 2:37:03

efficient. I knew you were doing it, Hayes, mate. So... I'll just refer to my

Cllr Adekunle Osibogun - 2:37:09

previous answer around the evidence because one thing you'll find is you've

got the different soil types which may or may not be you've got the even the

cost of the instrument itself and bring you know picking up a tree different

sizes of trees what trees are they you know the depth of the root there's so

many practicalities around it which right now I can't say much on but what I

I can tell you.

Pardon?

We can help.

Well, what I can say, it's not something we are opposed to.

And if developers want to do that, we're not all standing in their way.

But once we pull together the true strategy, then we can see what is the best practise,

and which is what we'll do.

It's a recommendation you're making, and I've heard you say that a few times now.

And that's something you advocate for.

But I think from our perspective it has to be the best practise and that's what we would adopt.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:38:05

Thank you. I think that's about all. Thanks for your time. Thanks very much.

So thank you much for your time. It's a quite big scrutiny scenario there for everybody.

So thank you and we'll see you at a later meeting.

Right, can we move on to the next one?

It's Local Transport Plan 5.

8 The Local Transport Plan 5

There was a suggestion from the previous chair about putting a letter into the consultation

on this.

I've been thinking about this myself over the last week actually.

Would that be right to do that?

Would it be right that we scrutinise things before it's even gone through the consultation?

I believe you'll be coming back in the future to talk about this situation anyway.

So would it be right to do that? We already had a members brief on this.

People can put their own individual points through anyway. So that's where I'll start from this.

So what's the opinion? Mike.

Cllr Michael Collins - 2:39:17

Well, I think with extreme interest, the few words that were written with the local Transport Plan 5,

and it states there, Buckinghamshire Council aims to make travelling around Buckinghamshire easier, safer,

and much more accessible, while improving travel choices for all.

We have, I think it's called Village Connect, which is the bus that I see all the time standing idle in various parts of the, in my area, certainly the southeast of the county.

It's idle because people need to get to a pickup point.

When I retired, formally retired, for four years, I volunteered as a driver of Data Ride.

In those days, Dial -A -Ride was supported by the Alsby Park District Council.

On average, we will pick up 20, we had four busses, and we will pick up on average about 20 people per day each bus.

Those people would not be able to get to a pickup point because they were in wheelchairs, walking frames, they wanted to go shopping.

For whatever reason, I suspect financially, we had to stop it after it had been running about seven years.

And I'm aware of the system.

Darlow had also operated, I think, in the Wickham -Tulton area.

So it wasn't just in this patch.

But I can recall, we used to pick up people from a total stoop -clay.

Now the moment we stopped it, I think we paid a nominal fee, say three pounds, to be taken and brought back.

One particular gentleman, the moment we stopped here, he had to come into town to a care centre twice a month,

and his taxi each way was just 28 pounds when he'd gone back a few years.

So we are not meeting the demands of our residents who are not able to get to that pick -up point, which is unfortunate.

So whilst the concept is right of having that kind of us,

I do think we have to consider the needs of our residents,

who like me are all getting older unless they were to walk,

that need to be picked up door to door

and taken to their appointment at the doctors or hospital.

Because at the moment, all they can do

is pay through the nose for a taxi that

has a wheelchair access.

So I don't think we're actually meeting the demands of all

of our ageing population.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:41:51

Yes, I can absolutely concur with that.

But we're at the moment where it's on about response

to the consultation, a letter from here.

I know.

So where we're going from here is obviously

the cabinet member will come back

to this scrutiny committee just to give us a chance

to scrutinise this situation.

So that's where we are at the moment.

Clive did you say something you put your hand up did you do you agree on this

letter coming from us or

Cllr Clive Harriss - 2:42:32

Cllr Thomas Broom - 2:42:36

well I mean I'm happy to take a submission from from the committee or

from individuals on the committee or a mixture of both.

I think probably the most important thing for me

is to give the commitment that I absolutely will come back

after the consultation and have to answer any questions

on the basis of what's changed due to that feedback.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 2:43:01

Thank you.

I think as this committee,

it's paramount that we respond to a consultation

which the cabinet member earlier in this meeting

encouraged everybody to respond to.

I mean, the point of a consultation is for feedback.

We are a scrutiny committee,

and this is the local transport plan.

Now, we are the transport scrutiny committee.

If we don't feel we're sufficient to feedback,

then what are we?

Because residents are being asked to feedback.

It's probably, and this is not dismissive of all residents,

but for a lot of them to coin a popular expression above their pay grade. Now the

details which it goes into in the transport plan are things that we should

understand and things we want to question, scrutinise and feedback on. I

mean that is the point of a consultation and as a committee we should be the ones

best first on that and the ones questioning it. If all we're doing is

waiting for it to come back again,

then we're given acceptance to something

without actually looking into it ourselves.

I don't understand the benefit

of not responding to a consultation.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:44:20

Any other opinions?

Cllr Justine Fulford - 2:44:26

I agree with Penny, we should be responding

and we should be looking at the performance indicators

and how they're going to be reviewed,

when they're going to be presented to this committee,

are they ambitious enough?

You know, are they flatlining from one year to the other?

If we don't have ambitions to improve our performance,

then you know, where are we going with it?

Cllr David Carroll - 2:44:54

Any other comments on this?

Chair, perhaps I could suggest,

Cllr Thomas Broom - 2:45:01

Maybe talk to the Dem Services team and just ask them

if they are usually receiving such a submission

from a decreasing committee.

I mean, I don't know is the honest answer

whether that would be the norm or not.

I think we welcome any feedback.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:45:21

Apparently we've done one in the past.

Cllr Clive Harriss - 2:45:24

So, Clive?

It's very cool, rather on the hot floor.

I think the difficulty with this, I know we received a note

from the previous chairman asking us to report

on various different aspects where each one

of us was supposedly given a job and met to report back on that.

And then she was suggesting that in her capacity as chairman,

she would then sift through it and then put the report

through as what this committee's findings were.

It didn't allow very much in the way of debate.

And I think the important thing here is if we are going to debate

at a later date what's found from your consultation,

if we want to reply to your consultation,

then by all means do it.

We do it as individual counsellors and residents,

not as something from this particular committee,

because I think otherwise they're muddying the waters.

And we want to be able to put our opinions forward,

put them together collectively, and then agree on our way forward

so that you get a proper steer from the committee.

not only with the benefit of hindsight from what we've seen

or what we've said, but more to do with what actually comes

out of your consultations.

Because one of the consultations we're going to hate,

it just costs so much money to get these things done.

And you get a whole pile of information if it's,

depending on what questions are asked,

sometimes you get a complete different answer

from what you're actually looking for.

So I'm very concerned that it's individuals, it's independent.

and as Ed said earlier, we take politics out of it to a certain extent and that way I think we will achieve that.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:47:03

Any other opinions? Caroline? No. Send a letter? Okay, we'll send a letter and I'll be talking to our brilliant officer here.

We'll be swapping notes on that.

Okay, everybody agree?

And you'll come back in the future to talk about it.

Benny.

Cllr Penny Drayton - 2:47:24

Thank you.

If it's helpful, just to back up what Councillor Harris said,

I think he thought he was opposing what I'd suggested,

but my suggestion was that we do discuss it as a committee

and looked into these different things.

I don't know what debate exactly was wanted,

but that's why it was put on the agenda for today.

It's because as a committee we can then see where we want to come from.

And in Councillor Broome's question, I know that the local plan had a response from GIH

and HASC, I think as a committee, the transport element, which feeds into the local plan,

really importantly can come from a committee and working together as a committee.

And it has been a couple of weeks since this was discussed

and did arrange a separate meeting for it.

And the idea was that we would establish today

where we wanted to go with it.

Now, obviously, the chair position has changed,

so it's totally not my decision anymore.

But just to explain, that is what we're looking for,

and to back up what Councillor Harris said is for us

to as a committee.

And of course, then we would very much welcome you back

as well to discuss it afterwards.

But at this point, to feed back to consultation,

the idea was a committee.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:48:43

Cllr Michael West - 2:48:50

If I could, I would just like to support whatever Penny's just said. I came here today fully

expecting to discuss this report and I think we're missing an opportunity if we don't do it today.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:49:00

I think the trouble is we've been talking, I know Penny was trying to divide pieces up

this report between members, a lot of people aren't even here. Unfortunately, it's come down to an

individual and I think Kaly's idea is it's going to be och pots together and it's going to be our

opinion and it's going to be rushed into a consultation. So I think we've got a little bit

of a problem here really. I can see where you're coming from but scrutiny is key. This is independent

So the Chair, the Cabinet member is coming back to discuss this.

So we're going to do it twice in some ways.

Any other thoughts?

We'll talk about this after the meeting.

Okay, thanks a lot.

As I said at the start of the meeting, the work program...

Cllr Penny Drayton - 2:50:17

Sorry to interrupt, just say, are we sending a letter from the committee and not just clear that up?

Cllr David Carroll - 2:50:20

It seems to be a difference of opinion at the moment, I'm afraid.

So we'll talk about it, the officer, I have to talk about it with her,

because we're on about putting things together and then we're not sure who's

going to say what.

So can we not vote as a committee?

Um, yes.

Let's have a vote.

Who's for having a letter?

One, two, three, four, five, six.

I'm independent.

Okay.

We'll do the letter.

Thank you.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:50:51

So if you can send in your contribution to the officer and myself, I'll be most grateful.

Because we've only got a matter of days. Thank you.

10 Work Programme

On to the work programme, of course the next meeting will be HS2, which will be a big one for all of us.

and please can you please turn up for that one because it's affected everybody in the

11 Date of Next Meeting

parts council. Can I just thank everybody today for their contributions and their attendance

and thanks very much.

Cllr Caroline Cornell - 2:51:31

Can we actually ask East West Rail to come back before us again?

Yes, it's in the afternoon.

Can we put East West Rail down as well?

Okay.

Cllr David Carroll - 2:51:46

To ask them what they're doing with Longfill, etc.

Thank you.

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Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:00:00

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:00:14

1 Apologies for Absence

Sally Moore - Senior Scrutiny Officer - 0:00:57

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:01:05

Cllr Michael Collins - 0:02:00

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:02:34

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 0:02:53

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:03:11

Sally Moore - Senior Scrutiny Officer - 0:03:25

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:03:30

Cllr Anja Schaefer - 0:06:44

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:07:25

Cllr Clive Harriss - 0:07:29

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:07:34

Glenn Watson - Principal Governance Officer - 0:07:54

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:08:07

Cllr Justine Fulford - 0:08:24

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:09:22

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 0:09:25

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:10:46

Glenn Watson - Principal Governance Officer - 0:11:13

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:11:22

9 Chairman's Further Announcement and Election of Chairman

Glenn Watson - Principal Governance Officer - 0:12:04

Cllr Penny Drayton - 0:14:18

Cllr David Carroll - 0:15:50

3 Minutes of the Previous Meeting

Public Question - 0:16:56

4 Public Questions

Cllr David Carroll - 0:17:49

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:17:51

Cllr David Carroll - 0:19:44

Public Question - 0:20:04

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:21:31

Cllr David Carroll - 0:24:17

5 Chairman's Update

6 Active Travel - the Local Cycling and Walking Infrastructure Plan

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:25:19

Cllr David Carroll - 0:33:25

Cllr Robin Stuchbury - 0:33:44

Cllr David Carroll - 0:36:53

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:36:54

Cllr Robin Stuchbury - 0:38:19

Cllr David Carroll - 0:38:25

Cllr Michael Collins - 0:38:35

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:40:25

Cllr Michael Collins - 0:42:22

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:43:02

Cllr David Carroll - 0:44:24

Cllr Caroline Cornell - 0:44:33

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:44:48

Cllr Caroline Cornell - 0:46:23

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:46:42

Cllr David Carroll - 0:48:40

Cllr Anja Schaefer - 0:48:46

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:51:20

Cllr David Carroll - 0:55:18

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 0:55:20

Cllr Thomas Broom - 0:58:15

Rebecca Dengler-Jones - Transport Safety Manager - 1:03:08

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:03:53

Cllr David Carroll - 1:04:12

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 1:04:15

Cllr Thomas Broom - 1:05:00

Cllr Ed Gemmell - 1:09:38

Cllr David Carroll - 1:09:43

Cllr Clive Harriss - 1:09:46

Transport, Environment, Communities & Climate Change Select Committee
Tuesday, 24th March 2026 at 10:00am