Licensing (Premises) Sub-Committee - Monday 27 April 2026, 2:00pm - Buckinghamshire Council Webcasting

Licensing (Premises) Sub-Committee
Monday, 27th April 2026 at 2:00pm 

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Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:00:00
go. Okay so we got that so Leslie do you want to do your bit first? Yep so good afternoon ladies
and gentlemen our first business on the agenda is to confirm the chairman for today's hearing
and I can confirm that Councillor Phil Gom has been selected to chair the hearing so over to
Councillor Gom. Thank you very much very good and everybody's here so good afternoon welcome
to the Buckinghamshire Council sub committee licences subcommittee hearing um in relation
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:00:26
to an application for a new premises licence at Buckingham Football Club, Stratford Road,
Buckingham MK 18 1NY. As per the Licencing Act of 2003 and regulations made there under,
licencing committees are not precluded from holding remote hearings as they are unaffected
by the requirements relating to the Lovell Local Government Act of 1972 and therefore hearings may
conducted online and attended remotely by members and officers. The public and press can still see
and hear the hearing through the live webcast and members of the public have been allowed
to the virtual hearing to speak where they have registered to do so. I'm the chairman for this
hearing. My name is Councillor Gombe and I look after the Quaint Award under Bucks Council. Now
like to ask my other colleagues to introduce themselves. Ladies first.
Hi, I'm Cathy Gibbon and I'm the Councillor for Bearton, Kingsbrook and Wing Ward.
Good afternoon, my name is Paul Gryphon. I am the Ward Councillor for the Ivers.
Very kindly, thank you very much colleagues. Now I'd like to introduce you to the officers
who are in attendance. Firstly we have Kerry -Ann Ashton, she's the licencing officer. She will
present a report and provide advice on any matters related to licencing policy, guidance and practise.
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:02:03
So Kerry -Ann would you like to introduce yourself please? Yes thank you, yeah good afternoon.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:02:09
Licencing officer for Buckinghamshire Council. Thank you very much and then as we move on,
G. Van Verde of the council's legal department. She is here to advise the panel on licencing and
local government law. This is to ensure that the committee makes a decision. It is both of its
powers and legally sound. G. Van Verde, would you like to introduce yourself please? Yes, of course.
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 0:02:30
Good afternoon everybody. My name is G. Van Verde and I'm a solicitor at Buckinghamshire council.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:02:37
Thank you very much and as we continue Mr Leslie Ashton is the Democratic Services
Officer supporting the meeting and is available to advise the councils on councils procedures.
Leslie Ashton - Democratic Services - 0:02:53
Leslie would you like to introduce yourself? Afternoon everyone as Councillor Gomes said I'm
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:02:59
Leslie Ashton Democratic Services Officer. Very good. Also in attendance are the following who
be involved in the hearing at various stages of discussions of this application. That'll
be Mr David Tinsley is the applicant and then Mr Adam Bray is the chairman of the club.
I can confirm that if any relevant person is not present their representations would
have been read and would be considered when reaching a decision. I would ask that nobody
apart from the panel members and officers use the chat function. So as we move down onto procedural
items I just want to make sure that everybody's got their microphone off before we continue please
it just makes life a little bit easier and then we don't get no feedback. So as we move on to
agenda item three which is procedure items do we have any apologies for absence?

3 Apologies for absence

Leslie Ashton - Democratic Services - 0:03:55
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:03:58
No, Chairman, no apologies for absence. Thank you. So there are none. So then turning
to the declarations of interest under the council's code of conduct, do any members

4 Declarations of interest

have any declarations of interest that they wish to bring to the attention of the subcommittee?
Nothing to declare. Councillor Gibbon?
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:04:15
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:04:19
Nothing to declare. Thank you very much and neither do I. So

5 Hearing Procedure Rules

we can move on to agenda item five. So agenda item five we have the virtual licencing subcommittee
hearing procedure rules which are appended to the agenda pack for information. Please can all
parties in the in attendance confirm that they have seen and understood the procedure to be
followed at the hearing. Everybody do you agree with what you've read in the agenda pack and we

6 Buckingham Football Club, Stratford Road, Buckingham MK18 1NY

Thank you. This is going to be very good. Everyone's prepped already.
Is everyone in attendance happy with the hearing now then to proceed? Delighted. Yep, thank you.
The purpose of the hearing should be born in mind that at all times is to enable those with
a right to appear to advance their point of view and their concerns to test the case of their
opponents and also to assist the subcommittee to gather evidence and understand the relevant issues.
Please be reminded that parties should only be addressed by the subcommittee in relation to
matters previously raised and submitted. So no additional points could be picked up along the
way but we will be picking up on an email we sent earlier on. The subcommittee may depart from
these procedures if it considers it necessary and equitable to do so. Do we have any preliminary
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:06:02
issues? Licencing officer. Thank you chair yes there was an email received I don't know whether
you wanted me to address that now or whether Miss Verdi was going to bring that up.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:06:18
So we've had a discussion about that. So colleague members are aware of the email and I don't know, is Mr Tinsley and Mr Bray, are they aware of the email?
No.
So G Van Verde, would you like to just bring this up then please?
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 0:06:37
Yes, yes an email was received from Mr Marsden who made a relevant representation within time
and an email was received last week because Mr Marsden is unable to attend the hearing
and Mr Marsden's email our view was that it amplified the statements that were made
in the representation so it's the panel member's decision as to whether they wish
for that statement to be read out at this hearing or whether that statement will be taken into
account along with all of the other written representations from all of the other interested
parties. So I wonder if, if chair you'd like to outline the approach that will be adopted by the
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:07:31
panel in relation to that statement received. Yeah so just to let you know Mr Tinsley and Mr Bray,
So as I say colleagues and officers have read the email and to be honest it's basically the same of the objections the gentleman was making but he's just enhanced it slightly, reworded it slightly.
So I, you know, we've taken it on board.
All of us are taking it on board
and come to the conclusion it's not worth,
well, you know, with no disrespect,
it's not worth going over the same ground.
Although we do appreciate the input he's put in additionally,
but it's not much as I say different.
So, but if you would like to hear it, that's your choice.
But as chair and my colleagues, we felt it best.
we've taken it on board and just to move forward. Mr Bray are you happy for us to do it?
Applicant - 0:08:27
Absolutely I've got no objections, happy to take your your lead on that.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:08:32
Applicant's Representative - 0:08:35
Mr Sinsley? Yeah same as Adam, happy to take your lead.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:08:38
Okay, Diva Verghe, are you happy how I sort of put that across?
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 0:08:43
Yes, yes of course, so just to reiterate the points made in the additional statement by
Mr Marston were to amplify the representations made previously and that is due to the fact
that Mr Marston is unable to attend the hearing today. So thank you chair, I think you've
explained that those statements will be taken into account in the panel's decision making
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:09:11
process later. Okay thank you very much for confirming that and Kerry and Ashton you're
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:09:19
with what we decided so you won't need to read it out. Yes Chair thank you for clarifying that.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:09:21
Great thank you very much. So now we move on to agenda item six. We now move to consider the
officer's report being presented this afternoon in respect of a premises licence located at
Buckingham Football Club, Stratford Road, Buckingham MK18 1NY. Please note that you should only address
the subcommittee in relation to matters previously raised. Any late evidence will only be considered
with consent of all parties. Remember if you want to speak you put your hand up but you do go
through we have a procedure that we go through so if we could stick to that please I would
appreciate that but at any time later just put your hands up using the chat bar. Okay now I'd
like to invite our licencing officer Miss Ashton to present the report outlining the details of the
application and representations received. Thank you.
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:10:14
Thank you, Chair. This application has been submitted
by Nathan Tillsley in respect of Buckingham Football Club
located on Stratford Road, Buckingham. The premises is a
well -established football club located in Buckingham on the
A422. The premises consists of a clubhouse, a decked garden
area, car park and football pitch. So the club currently
holds a club premises certificate which was granted in 2005 which permits the supply of
alcohol and the provision of regulated entertainment including live and recorded music to members
and their guests throughout the entire site. When the club wishes to hold an event open
to members of the public currently it applies for a temporary event notice. So the club
has now applied for a premises licence to provide them with greater flexibility in its
operations and to remove the need to apply for temporary event notices.
Although the premises will continue to operate as a club, a premises licence
will enable alcohol sales and other licence activities to be provided
to non -members at the premises when requested.
The licencing authority has no record of any complaints being received since
the club certificate was originally issued.
A location plan showing the premises is attached to the report marked
as Appendix 1 and a copy of their current Club Premises certificate is attached to the
report marked as Appendix 2. So this application is for a new Premises
licence and a copy of the application form is attached to the report as Appendix 3 and
a plan of the premises is attached as Appendix 4. During the consultation period the applicant
did not meet the advertising requirements set out in the Licencing Act 2003 and the
consultation period was restarted.
Following the restart of the consultation period, the applicant made some changes to
the hours applied for. So the licenceable activities now sought are films,
performance of dance, recorded music, other entertainment similar to music and
dancing, Sunday to Thursday, 9am to 11pm, and Friday to Saturday, 9am to 11 .30pm.
Plays, Sunday to Thursday, 9am to 11pm, Friday to Saturday, 9am to 11 .30.
Live music, both indoors and outdoors, Sunday to Thursday, 12 to 11, and Friday to Saturday, 9 to 11 .30.
And sale of alcohol on the premises, Sunday to Thursday, 11 to 11, and Friday to Saturday, 11 to 11 .30.
The hours open to the public are Sunday to Thursday 9am to 11pm, Friday to Saturday 9am
to 11 .30pm.
The subcommittee is asked to note that following deregulatory amendments to the Licencing Act,
the performance of amplified live music or recorded music does not require authorisation
under a premises licence or a temporary event notice when playing on licenced premises that
authorised and open for the sale of alcohol for audiences up to 500 between the hours of 8am and
11pm. This means that if the application were to be granted, amplified live or recorded music could
be provided without the need for any additional authorization for audiences up to 500 between the
hours of 8am and 11pm. During the consultation period we received no objection responses from
Thames Valley Police and the Planning Authority and no other responses were received from
any of the responsible authorities. In terms of other responses from interested parties,
we received 21 valid representations during the consultation period on the grounds of
prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, prevention of public nuisance and the protection
of children from harm. And we also received one representation in support of the application.
time. Copies of the representations are attached as Appendix 7. Five individuals withdrew their
representations on receipt of a letter from the chairman of the football club. A copy
of that letter, which is in response to the representations received, is attached to the
report as Appendix 8. And between the time between the end of the consultation period
and today one additional representation has also been withdrawn.
Within their letter, the applicant has set out a comparison of the existing hours of
operation and those sought in the new application. The applicant has also set out how they plan
to mitigate the concerns raised in the representations and how they plan to operate following a change
of committee in 2005 and make reference to details including a noise management plan
being introduced. The relevant representations received raised
concerns primary in relation to the following licencing objectives. Under the prevention
of crime and disorder, the representations express concern regarding potential antisocial
behaviour associated with customers congregating outside of the premises and the late night
hours applied for. Under the prevention of public nuisance, a number of representations
refer to concern about increased noise and disturbances arising from the proposed extended
hours, particularly in relation to customers using outdoor areas of the premises, and concern
regarding traffic and parking at the premises. Under the protection of children from harm,
representations highlight the impact of potential antisocial behaviour on children in the local
area. And under public safety, concerns have been raised that an increase in customer numbers
and associated vehicle movements may lead to heightened risk to public safety, particularly
during later hours of operation. The subcommittee is asked to note that matters relating solely
to parking and vehicle movements do not themselves fall within the scope of the Licencing Act.
However, such issues may be considered where they are directly relevant to the likely impact
of licenced activities carried out at the premises on one or more of the licencing objectives,
such as the prevention of public nuisance or public safety. Also, in terms of the representations
received, only representations and comments that are relevant to the licenced activities being
applied for and must relate to the impact of licenced activities carried on from the premises
can be considered. For example, comments based on planning matters,
moral objections and commercial need or demand are not valid.
In addition to the mandatory conditions, the licencing subcommittee should consider those
conditions offered in the operating schedule and decide whether they are appropriate for
the promotion of the licencing objectives and whether they address any valid representations
that have been submitted. In terms of determining this application, the licencing authority
must have regard to the Council Statement of Licencing Policy from March 2022. Licencing
under the 2003 Act is concerned solely with the promotion of the four statutory licencing
objectives. The prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, prevention of public nuisance
and the protection of children from harm. Each objective carries equal importance and
and there are no other statutory licencing objectives.
The licencing authority must exercise its functions with a view to promoting these objectives
and this policy sets out how this can be achieved.
The policy states that the licencing authority seeks to encourage the highest standards of
management in licenced premises and expects this to be demonstrated through an applicant's
operating schedule.
The policy seeks to balance the interests of business and residents to ensure the provision
of well -managed, high -quality licence premises within an environment that is safe and attractive
to residents, businesses and visitors.
The licencing authority encourages high standards of management which should be demonstrated
through their operating schedules and conditions are considered a key mechanism in promoting
the licencing objectives. And applicants are expected to have risk assessed their operation
before submitting applications. Applicants are encouraged to engage with the licencing
authority and responsible authorities at an early stage. And where relevant representations
are received, the licencing authority must consider whether additional or amended conditions
are appropriate to promote the licencing objectives. Any breaches of licencing conditions could
constitute an offence under section 136 of the Licencing Act.
The licencing authority may draw upon its published pool of conditions where appropriate
and in line with case law and may review and refine proposed conditions to ensure they
are clear, proportionate and enforceable. Under the prevention of public nuisance, the
disturbances that affect nearby residents. The licencing authority seeks to protect resident
amenity while recognising the importance of licenced premises to the local economy and
community life. In assessing applications, particular regard is given to the adequacy
of measures proposed to prevent public nuisance and significant weight is attached to the
views and recommendations of environmental health. Relevant considerations include prevention
of noise escape from the premises, management of customer arrival and departure, use and
supervision of outside areas, parking arrangements, delivery and waste collections, lighting arrangements,
litter management and existence of a clear and accessible complaints procedure. And where
appropriate conditions may be imposed to ensure that outside areas are properly controlled
and do not give rise to nuisance to nearby residents.
Licencing is not the primary mechanism for controlling antisocial behaviour away from
premises, however it forms part of a wider holistic approach to managing impacts associated
with licenced premises. The policy recognises that in circumstances individual premises can
contribute to antisocial behaviour and that conditions may be appropriate to mitigate any
associated risks. Under the prevention of crime or disorder,
the Council has a statutory duty under the Section 17 of the Crime and Disorder Act to
consider crime reduction and prevention of antisocial behaviour in the exercise of its
functions. The licencing authority looks to the police as the primary source of advice
on crime and disorder matters. Applicants are expected to demonstrate within their operating
schedule how crime prevention will be promoted, taking into account local circumstances and
operating context. Where appropriate, conditions may include measures such as CCTV systems
which should be installed, operated and maintained in consultation with the police and in compliance
with any data protection legislation. In terms of public safety, the policy states
applicants must demonstrate that they have assessed and managed risk to public safety. Duties under
other legislation including Health and Safety at Work Act and the Regulatory Reform Fire Order 2005
remain applicable. While the licencing authority does not duplicate other statutory controls,
it will scrutinise whether sufficient measures are in place to promote public safety and relevant
considerations may include permitted capacity limits, safe access and egress, lighting and
signage, fire safety equipment, maintenance and inspection records and staff training
and emergency procedures. Under the protection of children from harm, this is one of the
core licencing objectives for Buckinghamshire Council and a key priority. Licenced premises
can present particular risks to children and young people, including exposure to alcohol
disorder, inappropriate behaviour and other harms. And applicants are expected to demonstrate
appropriate safeguards in their operating schedules to protect children from physical,
moral and psychological harm, including measures to prevent underage access to alcohol and
in appropriate environments.
Regard must also be had to the statutory guidance issued by the Home Office under
Section 182 of the Licencing Act.
The Section 182 guidance confirms that licencing functions must focus on the
promotion of the four licencing objectives, all of which are of equal
importance. There are no other statutory licencing objectives and promotion of
these objectives is a paramount consideration in all licencing determinations. Under the
prevention of crime and disorder, the guidance states that our authority should look to the
police as the primary source of advice on matters relating to crime and disorder, and
conditions imposed to promote this objective should be targeted, proportionate and preventative.
Where appropriate, measures such as the installation and operation of CCTV may be effective in
crime and disorder and antisocial behaviour.
Any such conditions should be sufficiently clear,
enforceable and proportionate,
and should not impose unnecessary
burdens on the licence holder.
Under public safety,
licence holders have a responsibility to ensure the safety of
persons using their premises.
This relates to physical safety,
including the prevention of accidents and injuries and immediate harms
associated with alcohol consumption.
Relevant considerations may include fire safety arrangements, safe access and exit from the premises, the use of CCTV, and safe capacity limits.
Under the prevention of public nuisance, Section 182 guidance allows licencing authorities to consider what constitutes public nuisance and what conditions may be appropriate to prevent it.
Public nuisance is broadly defined and may include noise,
light, pollution, odour, litter,
and impacting on residential amenity.
In determined applications, the focus should be on the impact of
licenceable activities at the person,
at the premises on persons living or working, particularly
during sensitive periods such as late evening and
nighttime hours.
Conditions intended to address public nuisance should be tailored to the nature and characteristics
of the premises and be proportionate to the risk identified and should avoid unnecessary
restricting activities that are valuable to the community where the licencing objectives
can otherwise be adequately promoted.
Public nuisance is given statutory meaning in many pieces of legislation. It is, however,
not narrowly defined in the 2003 Act and retains its broad common law meaning.
Conditions relating to noise nuisance will usually concern steps appropriate to control the levers of
noise emanating from the premises. This might be achieved by a simple measure such as ensuring
doors or windows are kept closed after a particular time or persons are not permitted in the garden
area of a premises after a certain time. And beyond the immediate area surrounding the
premises, these are matters for personal responsibility of individuals under the law. An individual
who engages in antisocial behaviour is accountable in their own right. However, it would be perfectly
reasonable for a licencing authority to impose a condition following relevant representations
that requires the licence holder to place signs at exits from the building, encouraging
patrons to be quiet while they leave the area or if they wish to smoke to do so at designated
places on the premises instead of outside and to respect the rights of people living
nearby to a peaceful night. Under the protection of children from harm, the guidance states
protection of children from harm includes safeguarding against physical, moral and
psychological harm, including exposure to alcohol disorder, inappropriate language or
behaviour and wider risks such as sexual exploitation. Licencing authorities must consider whether
appropriate measures are in place to protect children when carrying out their licencing
functions. The panel is required to have regard to human rights when determining this application.
The decision regarding this application will have human rights implications to both the
applicant and the persons making relevant representations, which also need to be considered
equally and fairly so that the decision is proportionate and the right balance is met.
You should also consider Article 8 and Article 1 of the first protocol, the right to respect
for private and family life and peaceful enjoyment of property and possessions, and this can
also include a licence. The subcommittee is obliged to determine applications in light
of the above and any other material considerations with a view to promoting the licencing objectives,
which are prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, prevention of public nuisance
and the protection of children from harm. Regard must be had to the council's licencing
policy, home office guidance issued under section 182 of the Licencing Act, any relevant
representations received and the evidence presented today at the hearing. Each application
must be considered on its own merits and any conditions attached to the premises licence
must be tailored to the individual style and characteristics of the premises. This is essential
to avoid the imposition of disproportionate and overly burdensome conditions on premises.
Standardised conditions should be avoided and indeed may be unlawful where they cannot be shown
to promote the licencing objectives. The subcommittee must also avoid duplication of
other legal requirements and should only impose conditions on a premises licence which are
appropriate and proportionate for the promotion of the licencing objectives
and where additional or supplementary measures are required in order to promote the licencing
objectives. The following options are available to the licencing subcommittee. To grant the
premises licence, subject to any conditions which are consistent with the operating schedule
and which are considered appropriate and proportionate for the promotion of the four licencing objectives
in response to relevant representations received. Exclude from scope of the premises licence
licence any of licenced activities to which the application relates,
refuse to specify a person as the premises designated
premises supervisor,
reject the whole of the application,
or grant the premises licence subject to different conditions
for different parts of the premises or reduced licenced
activities if this is considered appropriate and proportionate to
promote the four licencing objectives and in response to
the representations received.
The subcommittee is asked to note that it may not reject the whole or part of the application
or attached conditions merely because it considers it desirable to do so. It must be appropriate
and proportionate in order to promote the four licencing objectives and be in response
to the representations received and four reasons must be given for the subcommittee's decision.
That concludes my report chair and I'm happy to answer any questions.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:31:05
Very good, as always Gary and Ashton, a full in -depth report there for us that makes our
lives so much more easier and applicants and any other representatives at the same time.
So I'm going to go through our normal list. Does the applicant
wish to put any questions to our licencing officer?
Applicant - 0:31:24
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:31:31
No questions. Okay, thank you very much. Now do members have any questions they'd like
to put to our licencing officer? Councillor Gibbon?
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:31:39
No thank you. Councillor Gryphon?
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:31:41
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:31:43
Nothing thank you. And Lord Oye as well, that makes that a little
easier. Thank you very much. Which is good so we can carry on now. I'd now like to invite
the applicant Mr Nathan Tinsley and the chairman of the club Mr Adam Bray to present their case.
Please could you now address the hearing. I don't know which one of you would like to lead or you
can bounce off each other whatever you decide to do we'll be happy with. Thank you Chancellor
Applicant - 0:32:11
Nathan will be leading and I'll be here to assist with any further remarks.
So we got advised to apply for our full premises licence because we've applied for quite a few temporary event notices without hitch.
We hold Buckingham Live once a year as a big local music event and we apply for two temporary event notices for that event as well.
Anything else you'd like to add?
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:32:51
Applicant - 0:32:53
We've got, we adjust some of, we listen to the concerns, what was raised and we did a
lateral response addressing the concerns.
We're happy to, we've done a noise management plan and as well.
Okay.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:33:18
Mr Bray, would you like to add to your presentation?
Applicant - 0:33:24
Yes please, yes, thanks Adam. So the application's gone in on the basis of a full premises licence.
As Kerry -Ann mentioned, we've had a club premises certificate for a number of years without issue.
Alongside that, it's actually been quite a good exercise really to listen to the
representations that have come forward from residents.
As you'll have seen within the agenda pack,
there's a letter response where we try to address
the representations which have been issued,
which we feel that we've done.
And hopefully we'll be able to move forward positively.
Thank you.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:34:03
Okay, Mr. Bray, Mr. Tinsley,
is that where you'd like to present to us?
Before I move forward?
Sorry to add.
Okay.
Ms Tinsley, are you happy for us to move forward? Yeah, nothing to add. Okay, so now I move
back to our Licencing Officer, do you have any questions you'd like to put to the applicant please?
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:34:28
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:34:30
No questions Chair, thank you. Okay, now I'm going to move on to Members. If they'd like to put any
questions to our applicant, we can bounce around each other, you'd have to move all at one time.
You know me, I'm very happy to allow you to lead and I can come in at the end.
It looks like Councillor Gryphon is eager to start a few questions.
So, Councillor Gibbon, if you'd like to allow him to go in first.
Yeah, very good. Over to you.
Thank you, Chair.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:34:59
Just a couple of things, really.
It seems that there is some substantial, I would argue, resistance to this
application from your neighbours and they seem to centre around public nuisance and harm to children.
Now I'm guessing that the environment in which you currently reside if you like is,
let me just put it this way, that the neighbours are aware of the activities
and the hours and they're kind of used to that routine if that makes sense, if that makes sense
and this full licence application gives you a lot more licence literally and I wonder how
how we how you're going to manage to keep your neighbours happy given that you're going to be
open a lot longer for a lot more hours on a lot more days and I see them have a lot more people
attending and there's a bloody annoying fly in my studio um excuse me if I start waving my arms
around. So maybe you can reassure me on that level. The second part of the question, some of the
respondents mentioned children's sleeping hours and they're very proximus to the club.
You know, we all have our windows and doors open and things in the summer. We're only just getting
used to summer again this year. It's beautiful here today, 21 degrees. But how can you proactively
address those two issues for me please.
Applicant - 0:36:44
Yeah thank you. So relating to your first part of your question
the the hours we currently operate on the club premises licence
with the new hours on the full premises licence is
no different anymore they're exactly the same
like ours we're allowed to sell alcohol and everything and
Relating to your question about noise management and people, kids sleeping and stuff,
in our noise management plan, we put in concessions that we won't have music outside after a certain time, after 7pm.
And then music we have inside would be like doors, windows would be closed because we have air -con for temperature and stuff.
So we always operate when we have music, when we have a lot of music inside,
we always operate with no doors allowed open, windows not allowed open.
And there's signs around the premises saying, please keep doors closed when music is on and stuff.
OK, that is reassuring. Thanks.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:37:45
I mean, I appreciate that the hours are very, if not identical,
you anticipate having a lot more people because you can have the general public
involved.
As well as your membership.
So I assume you wouldn't be going through this exercise if you weren't anticipating growing your rich and your customer base.
Applicant - 0:38:09
I'm happy to answer that, Chancellor Griff. So in the summer we host Buckingham Live music event.
At the moment that's held using two separate temporary event notices.
one by ourselves for the sale of alcohol within the clubhouse and the decking and
the other from our help our back on town council out on the grass. It was advised
therefore the best way forward really would be for us to apply for full
premises licence rather than go through the two temporary event notices on an annual
basis. In terms of growing as a club we're a nonprofit community club there's
only so so big we could possibly get without becoming a strain on ourselves. The clubhouse
itself only holds 100 people and within the letter of response as well there are concessions
which we've offered to try and reassure people about any kind of music or events outside
would be limited to say the least. Thank you for that. Nothing further at this point Chair.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:39:08
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:39:12
Thank you very much Councillor Gryphon. Councillor Gibbon, any questions you'd like to put through to the applicants please?
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:39:24
A couple really. Well the first one is just to clarify because I'm not 100 % sure that when you talked about in your letter about outside events
I just wanted to sort of clarify whether these restrictions were to do with all outside live
events or all outside events or just the live music because also there could be, you know,
having a DJ and records or whatever. And on top of that as well with your,
The restrictions, well just to clarify, is it live music or any music outside?
Yeah that's the first question, we'll have a couple more.
Applicant - 0:40:07
Okay yeah happy to answer that, so that would be live and recording music in terms of a DJ,
so any kind of band, DJ, that kind of thing on the deck, absolutely. What I understand it doesn't
include is say background music or music on the tan week before games or at half time on the
football side but certainly in terms of acts like dj's or bands that kind of stuff yes that would be
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:40:39
included. My other question was after your I mean the daytime I think I'm happy obviously with this
noise for football matches that's absolutely fine because that's much earlier in the day.
But in the evening I've got a question about after events do you have sort of any plan in place to
make sure that not only do people leave quietly but people leave because I noticed one of the
quite a few complaints were about people loitering maybe taking drugs or whatever
and I take on board your point where you said if it's people nothing to do with you then obviously
people phone the police but just to make sure that your um, clientele when they leave actually
leave and don't stay on site uh, to annoy people will there be something put in place to deal with
Applicant - 0:41:39
that? Mr Bray your microphone's off, are you going to speak? Sorry uh, Councillor Tom, um yeah
generally, there's only a maximum of 100 people in here.
Bar staff generally encourage people to leave
in sort of quite an efficient manner,
both inside but also outside as well within the car park.
So yeah, there is sort of a proactive measure in place,
proactive and friendly measure in place for that.
That's it Gibbon, are you happy with that?
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:42:06
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:42:10
For now, I'll keep listening.
there may be more questions than I'm confused about, per taking now.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:42:15
Okay, I know it's Councillor Griffin's got his hand up but just bear with me please,
so I just want to pull back on something. So Councillor Gibbon just asked about
your outside entertainment, although it's all regulated entertainment. In your letter on page 75
live, it states that all regulated entertainment limited to 10 p .m. rather than the proposed
11 p .m. So you say all all events, whether it's a DJ live, will finish by 10 and not
11.
Applicant - 0:42:54
Yes, absolutely. So Buckingham Live only goes on till 10 o 'clock and then we're quite happy
put in, there's I think there's an additional measure within there that's been included,
the other events may be a DJ on the decking or a cruise to act, whatever it may be,
would finish at half past six during the day. I mean where we are we recognise that there's a
lot of residential properties around us and we wouldn't wish to be a public nuisance quite simply.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:43:22
Well it doesn't quite say that, it's yeah I'm just going to, my office has come up now,
It's, you've got here 10 o 'clock and then you've got 11 .30.
I'm going to allow my officer Kerianne Ashton to come in from the site because it looks like she might be on.
Kerianne, would you like to come in, please?
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:43:41
The microphone.
Sorry, chair. I was just going to clarify the obviously any entertainment between the
hours of 8am and 11pm for live music and recorded music would obviously be deregulated. And
we're not able to add a condition that states there'll be on that deregulated activities, as it were.
So I think, yeah, Mr. Wray was, it would be the live musical recording after 11 o 'clock that would be able to condition
or whether they wanted to remove that restriction and bring the hours back.
That was something that might be up for discussion.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:44:43
I think we need to discuss that because it leaves it quite loose.
You know, one minute we got 10 o 'clock, then we got 11 .30.
And then do you remember, should we just shelve that to have a discussion a little bit later or should we address it now?
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 0:44:58
It might just be worth addressing it now, Chair, since we're on the subject. But Ms Ashton is absolutely right.
the the the the legislation permits obviously the deregulation legislation permits activities to be
to be had up until 11 11 pm. Obviously it would be worth clarifying.
Yes, I suppose what I'm trying to say is that the applicant would be, they'd be allowed
to have up to 11pm and obviously they're volunteering to reduce that deregulation but the legislation
does permit, it goes beyond that. So obviously if the applicant wishes to cease music and
activity at 10pm, then that is perfectly your decision. I wonder, Ms Ashton, if you'd be able to advise on how we would have that in the licence itself.
What would the timing stipulate in the actual physical licence? What's the best way to have that documented?
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:46:22
Thank you, Jeevan. I don't, anything under 11 o 'clock, I don't think we are able to put a restriction on, for example, to say that live music will finish at 10 o 'clock because they are permitted until 11.
So it would just be the Friday and Saturday where it's permitted until 11 .30.
I think that you would obviously be able to restrict.
And by the same token, we're not able under the Licencing Act to say that there's no live
music outside, say after 6 p .m., for example, because under the deregulation, they are permitted
to have it until 11 p .m.
So it is a tricky one, but I think it's obviously the Friday and Saturday, which goes on to 11 .30, which obviously falls into a licence activity, which we would be able to condition and regulate in that respect.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:47:30
OK, so I'm picking up. Sorry, Diva. Sorry.
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 0:47:34
Sorry chair, I didn't mean to interrupt you there. So I suppose the question that you
may wish to pose to the applicant is what they wish to do about the hours that are extended
on, was it Friday and Saturday Miss Ashton, or was it Saturday and the extended hours,
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:47:53
if you would remind me, is yeah, Friday to Saturday. So I'm sure you were going to do
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 0:47:57
that already, Councillor Gorm, so I'll leave you to it.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:48:01
No, no, no, I know my place, but it looks like Mr Bray is quite keen to put something
on the table. You know, like Kerry and Ashton have said that we could restrict the 1130
part, but I think there's going to be a good trust issue here. Mr Bray, over to you to
add to this.
Applicant - 0:48:22
No, thank you Chancellor John. So the reason for going to 11 .30 was mainly for the indoor
music side. So when it gets to 11 o 'clock, if there's one loss on that kind of thing
and it goes past 11 o 'clock, it just gave us that buffer really. It wasn't necessarily
the intention to have that on outside to that time at all. To be honest, the current hours
to 11. If it helps we'd be willing to bring that back to 11 on this application as well
in line with the existing club premises certificate. That'd be for everything if that helps.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:49:01
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:49:05
Is that acceptable like that? I mean yes it is, it is the applicant's prerogative whether they
wish to make any changes. Another suggestion could be that there is no outdoor music after 11pm.
Exactly, yeah. Indoor is permitted to 1130. That's another option, Chair.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:49:24
And I learned, you know, listening to everybody, to be honest, it's quite fair, Mr Bray and Mr
Tinsley seem to be agreeing with that. I do notice colleagues have got their hand up as well. So,
Councillor Gryphon, you had your hand up first.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:49:40
So I was going to ask about tens.
I just wanted to ask Kerry -Ann, can we not just draw a
licencing distinction between inside and outside on that last issue we were discussing then?
So outdoor music, 10 o 'clock, indoor music, 11 o 'clock or whatever?
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:49:57
Yes, obviously the deregulation would apply until 11 outside,
So we wouldn't be able to put a condition on the licence that says no outdoor music
after 10 o 'clock because they would be permitted under the deregulation to have it in the garden
area which is their decked area.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:50:23
So the answer to the question is no, we can't divide the areas effectively.
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 0:50:27
No, and within the noise management plan, I believe the applicant has considered the
restrictions like the no music after 10 o 'clock or whatever.
They've transposed that into their noise management plan, which by turn is a condition of the
licence that they must have a noise management plan that has been agreed by licencing services
and environmental health.
So the club have said that they don't wish to do that.
Obviously, the Licencing Act gives them the permission to do that because they don't need a licence for it.
But they could follow the rules that are set out in their noise management plan that sets out how the club is going to operate.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:51:12
OK, thank you for that. Going back to what I was going to ask was, historically, over the last few years since you've had your club premises certificate since September 23,
How many tens have you applied for and used in that period or per year?
Applicant - 0:51:30
Any ideas? Is it tens or is it single digits or?
Nathan will be able to help me out with this one as well, but I believe it's it'll be double digits.
Double digits?
Yeah, between 10 and 15, maybe something like that.
Yeah.
One a month.
Not loads, but it'll be more than 10.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:51:51
I would have thought. Okay so that then makes me wonder because obviously there's a fee for that,
would you be relinquishing the Club Premises certificate
to save that extra money as well as not having to buy TENS licences?
Applicant - 0:52:07
So we don't have the Club Premises certificate, it really is a backup.
We'll be operating under the full premises licence. However, we were going to have the
club premises licence, sorry, certificate just as a backup if needed.
Backup for what? Yeah.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:52:26
Applicant - 0:52:29
No, the reason I said that is because obviously with a full premises licence, you have to
have a named personal licensee. So for example, if Nathan left, would be left without void.
So that would be to cover that.
I mean, and that's it really.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:52:44
Okay, so that that that frightens me a little bit.
I have to be frank because basically having a full licence,
you go to the DPS etcetera, etcetera with certificate.
You haven't got that responsibility.
If something were to occur on an evening event or whatever,
then you could shift.
Oh, sorry officer.
No, we're not using our full licence tonight.
We're using our certificate.
And that kind of dilutes what we're trying to achieve here.
Do you see where I'm coming from?
Yes, I understand what you're coming from.
Applicant - 0:53:17
I mean, if it's, you know, if it's something which we have to relinquish, then we'd be happy to do that.
If that makes yourselves more comfortable.
Certainly, I think it would make this panel more comfortable.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 0:53:26
It's not something you have to do, to be frank.
You can you can run both.
We'd prefer it if you had one or the other, preferably the full licence.
that be though. From our perspective that also means that you know there's more regulation.
It's not so good from your perspective but it does mean that we can keep a BDI on you a little
bit more. Absolutely. Hopefully there's no objections from from our side on that. Okay
Applicant - 0:53:49
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:53:53
lovely very good Councillor Gryphon. Councillor Gibbon has got their hand up.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:53:59
Yes Councillor Gryphon actually asked quite a few of the things that I did want to ask
But I have to say I agree with him. I would be a lot happier if you did relinquish the CPC, I think it's called, the Pre -Museum Certificate, because you know, your experience at running the place, but if you rented out to somebody else and then, you know, they may not be, at least you have more safeguards, and I think also the residents would be a lot more confident as well if you had one of those.
And I think also Councillor Gryphon asked about how many times, I was a little bit concerned that you might be renting it out a lot of times, which again, I think, because you said you don't need to have about seven events here, but then I wasn't quite sure how many other times you'd be renting it out, but it sounds like if it's under 20 times, yeah, that's, that's, that's not going to upset anyone.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:54:57
So I think you've got a bit of misunderstanding there, I need to jump on that. So with what they're achieving, they don't have to stick now to their members only club, they can now go to private and they can hire out as much as they want to between Monday to Sunday.
So it opens up the book, not that they're getting, but I just, do you want Verdi to correct me if I'm wrong?
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 0:55:29
I'm trying to explain that their door opens.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:55:40
Oh yeah, that I am a bit concerned about because I do accept the residents concerns that during the week they would like their children to be able to sleep.
So that's that I do find a bit of a concern so I don't know if they could reassure me about that one.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:55:54
From what I'm understanding and I'll add a break and answer that one, I was going to say something for you but.
Applicant - 0:56:01
Oh sorry, sorry Councillor Don. No, no, no you carry on.
I was just trying to add just in terms of midweek, so the opening hours that proposed are in line with the existing.
However, we're only generally open during the week if we've got darts on or football fixtures or is higher, such as the WI have hired the part of the room, clubhouse, that kind of thing.
It's not really generally open for sort of general trade.
at all, Monday to Thursday. It's open Fridays for general members to come in and enjoy themselves,
but yeah, from Monday to Thursday it's only really open if a safe day's fixture is on.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:56:47
But at least it gives you a key to the door to open to non -members as well, so if someone
like me wanted to have a 10th birthday party from a granddaughter or whatever, you could
coming, you know, you can't, it may just gives you an easier option along that way. I need
to just reiterate though, from what we talk about and I'll get corrected if I'm wrong,
just to help Councillor Gibbons slightly, is because there's will be some noise restrictions,
offices and stuff like that with our environment team, you know, just because they can operate
till 10 or 11. That restriction on top gives us that opportunity to come down and manage them
a little bit harder if you sort of get what I say. You know we won't be out going there and say well
you need to finish by 10. The noise management will help to manage that side of it.
Councillor Gibbon? Yeah. Have we got another question?
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:57:45
Yes. I'll allow you. Okay, thank you. Yeah, so this is just coming back to the people leaving.
I had another thought. Do you have CCTVs outside covering the car parks?
So then you could have any proof of anything that was going on.
Applicant - 0:58:05
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:58:27
we seem to be doing quite well.
So I'm glad Mr. Bray and Mr. Tinsley
that you've offered to hand in that licence.
We were all a bit concerned with that.
And I understood, we all understood, you know,
where you were coming from, but it was quite loose.
And we're very happy that you've offered that across.
Just a couple of things, because now we've, you know,
we've drilled down quite a bit with timings
and noise management etc. If you could just clarify, I'm just looking at the plan of the
premises on page 52 and you know some of the residents have complained about the noise that
they've experienced so far. You're going to get that you're near you know you're nearer premises
that that's going to happen to and it's quite clear that you know you're trying to help and
achieved to combat that. With have you got around the boundary of the site, big site,
is it hedged or fenced or is it just what's there?
Applicant - 0:59:47
So on the Stratford roadside, it's Leylandi hedging.
um sorry which is the Stratford is that the L substation side um let me just bring up that yeah please
so i've got one second yeah
Yes. So along that side, all the way around to Lower Wharf, there's a large land I hedging.
And then on the other side, it is pretty much open. There's some trees behind the pavilion
and fencing. So it's more so your six foot standard closed board fencing behind the clubhouse
across on the opposite side of the path and then sort of a couple of trees around,
really. But yeah, there's a quite a main,
significant land I hedging on the Stratford Road side going on to Lower Wolf.
Yeah.
I'm not trying to pinpoint you into anything, but the complaints, well,
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:00:53
the concerns that have come across, let's put it that way.
I don't know where those people live, but are they more of the side,
but there's no fencing or are they in the area where there's that lianlae?
Because that would also act as a sound buffer.
I think there were several from Lower Wharf.
Yeah, I believe there are three from Lower Wharf.
Applicant - 1:01:15
I mean, we do have, when we have Buckham Live here, that event,
that's obviously a large stage, quite a lot of people.
It's a big sound system, so that can be heard from quite a way away.
Oh yeah, we're used to those.
And that was where I was going to go on my next question, actually.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:01:34
When you have the Buckham Live there, where do they put the stages?
that down the far end on Lower Wharf? No no no it's just in front of the pavilion and it's facing
Applicant - 1:01:45
out towards Lower Wharf. Oh right. But it's just in front of the the clubhouse. So hence they would
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:01:52
get a bit more of the straight reverb rather than what's just bouncing up into the sky. So we all
know about directional. Okay thank you very much on that one. Councillor Gibbon picked up on the CCTV.
As we know, we didn't get no reports of the Police and Environment team, but you've been extremely open and transparent.
Have you had any little problems along the route that you've had to deal with or is it quite quiet?
You get a little bit. We know that. But yeah, not not really.
Applicant - 1:02:23
No, I mean, Nathan might want to add a bit more. But in terms of sort of out and about across the site, we don't come across too much while we're here at all, to be honest with you.
The vast majority of the site is for public access, apart from the pitch, which is fenced off with the boundary.
But in line with our lease with Alsop Valley Estates, it is also public access.
So, yeah, people do come across and they may well use the car park for sort of out of hours, that kind of stuff, because that is open access as well.
But generally, we don't tend to have too many issues here.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:02:59
Okay only a few more questions and then so going back to the site so I noticed the the again the pavilion itself that faces out towards the way and I notice some of your stage so most of the sound in the building is faced to a sort of dead area.
Anyway, I'm just trying to imagine where you sound, you know, because we all know you've got your stage, and it's going to go bounce down that direction.
But it doesn't seem to be much in there. But and then the deck in faces out onto the sports field. Is that correct?
Yeah.
OK, he's got his mic off again, but I can I can I can lip read. Don't worry.
So just just just to confirm. Yes, it does. Yeah.
Yeah, I'm just trying to imagine why people are concerned, but you know it's aiming away from residents. That's how I see it.
And so that's that one, that's that one. And then another just quick question, just two more.
It mentions in your application that you will have games machines and looking into children, their safety etc.
Where will those game machines go in the club? It doesn't show where any games area or would it just be the bar front area or anywhere in those rooms?
So I'm just trying to make out, will the kids be able to get near them or how they monitored, how they managed?
Applicant - 1:04:30
Yeah, we have just one game machine, but it is in the bar area.
But it's just one machine then and the machine is in a cabinet, so it's locked away at night and stuff, padlocked.
And if we do have like, we can always lock it away other times if needed.
Yeah, no, you've got it in view where you can manage it from, which is good.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:04:53
Actually I'll just add in another quick question.
And then with the new licence, will allow you to have non -member events.
How will you manage those non -member events?
Would you have a door person on there keeping an eye?
Or would you just start and see how it runs?
I don't know. I'm just asking a question.
With your members, you know who's who.
So you could bring them to order, but when it's non -members it's a little bit different.
Applicant - 1:05:22
With non -member events, we do offer the clubhouse to be hired out to like pies and stuff, but it's like a proper booking system, we know who's hiring it, we've spoke to them before and we've given them the hours, we've given them how many people they're allowed and stuff.
And they're just they're usually like like we don't have any part.
We we have to pay price, but none under we don't do ratings or twenty ones.
We just do like usually like 30s, 40s or so far.
But they're usually just small and manage events like family parties and stuff like that.
So really, so what you're basically saying is the management of those events is
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:05:58
is self -management of the event itself, and then you as the DPS or whoever's running the bar, etc.
you sort of manage it on a low level because the low risk, is that right?
Yeah, yeah, yeah, pretty much.
And just another one you put down is for 100 people.
Is that what the fire authority risk assess your premises or is that what you've put on as a limit?
That's within the fire risk assessment,
Applicant - 1:06:32
So that's 100 including like bar staff and everyone.
Yes, that's what the fire authority.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:06:37
Yeah. OK, so it's not what you've put in sports.
OK, last question while we're on fire people.
Where's your designated smoking area?
Does it show on the map?
I can't see it.
No, not going on.
It's good.
Would that be out on that decking area?
I'm making an assumption.
Applicant - 1:07:10
Yeah, we do allow smoking on the deck in.
And that would be your sort of designated area. Yeah.
Yeah.
OK.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:07:23
OK, do you remember, just got a hand up over to you.
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 1:07:28
Thank you chair. Just very quickly I wonder chair whether perhaps I miss this and the
rest of the committee members got it but I wonder whether it might be worth just clarifying
with the applicant whether they are going to be having the extra half an hour on Friday
and Saturday nights. So in terms of the opening hours just to clarify whether all the seizing
of activities is going to be 11pm or whether they they still wanted to to have the 1130 and whether
the application was amended but like I said perhaps I missed that and I'm gonna butt in first
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:08:04
and I could be corrected I'm just being butty today is the impression I got was outside events
no but inside events 1130 would I be yeah see it's it's a bit of a divide uh to even ready of
So again, that's down to Kerry and Ashton to try and I don't know how we would manage that.
But am I right, Mr. Bray? Is that the intention?
11 .30pm indoors.
Applicant - 1:08:31
Yeah, I would like to speak to half 11 on Friday.
As I said earlier, just in case there's one last song, that kind of thing,
or one more song for DJ when it gets to 11.
I mean, our intention really is to finish at 11, last orders at 11 as well, that kind of thing.
We're not looking to be sort of a last venue or anything like that at all.
So yes, ideally 11 .30 if possible.
Nathan Tinsley wants to come in.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:09:02
Applicant - 1:09:04
Yeah, just on that, because the club premises certificate we had was indoor and outdoor music was just done at the same time.
So when I did the application, I probably should have done it as indoor and outdoor two separate times,
by just as the like the same times as the club premises certificate.
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 1:09:26
Thank you, Chair. I wonder whether in this instance then, given that there's a bit of
sort of clarity needs to be had, would you be willing to ask the applicant if they'd be willing
to agree to a condition where we do just clarify the different hours or the additional 30 minutes
is applicable to the inside area only. I wonder if you'd like to explore that chair.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:09:55
I think you've taken it quite well there, Mr Bray, Mr Tinsley, I think it's just it's just
tidying it up isn't it because it's asking for that condition to be added is that fine?
Applicant - 1:10:08
Yeah sure absolutely if there's anything like that for completeness then yeah we'd have no
Okay, are you happy with that?
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:10:17
Yes, yes, normally I would, while we sort of go through the next bit of the hearing, I would just pop something in the chat, so that the applicant and the club chair is able to view the condition that has been offered.
So if you'll allow me a minute or so just to find that condition and I shall pop it into the chat if you want to carry on.
Thank you.
Yeah, screwing my pace down.
Thank you very much.
So just to let you know, your microphone was on.
So, Councillor Gryphon, you got your hand up?
Cllr Paul Griffin - 1:10:53
I wasn't saying anything.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:10:56
I know, but I could hear it.
Cllr Paul Griffin - 1:11:01
Just for the sake of completeness, it doesn't show me on the plan.
Where is the car park?
I assume it's near the pavilion somewhere. Yes, at the back of the stage.
Okay. Where that pavilion, well I'm just making assumptions here,
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:11:19
where it says pavilion, Councillor Gryphon, I think it's there. Mr Tinsley, Mr Bray, could you clarify?
Applicant - 1:11:29
Yes, certainly, it is the section where you drive in and then it's between there and the pavilion,
Cllr Paul Griffin - 1:11:42
so it's that section there. Okay, all right, so it's near the L substation area again.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:11:44
Yes. And how many parking spaces do you have there? Top of my head it's 30, 34, it's 34, 35.
All right, thank you.
Okay, so whilst Jeevan Verdy is writing something in the chat room to just finalise them, timing's a little bit, a minor condition in there is good.
So as we carry on with the agenda, as there are no other interested parties present, we now move to closing submissions.
We now move to closing submissions you should wish to make should you wish to make any.
First I'll go to our licencing officer then onto our applicant.
So Kerry and Ashton would you like to make any closing submission?
Kerryann Ashton - Licensing Officer - 1:12:30
Thank you chair I've got nothing further to add.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:12:35
Then we go on to count Mr Tinsley and Mr Bray have you got any closing submissions that you'd
Applicant - 1:12:43
like to add? Nothing to add for me, thank you. Mr Bray? Yeah nothing to add for me,
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:12:53
just thank you all for your time. Thank you very much. Whilst we're at this point I would
like to point out to all of those people interested parties that were opposed, objected, whatever
you want to call, I would like to say that all of your evidence was read by my colleagues
and officers and has all been taken into consideration and also Mr Tinsley and Mr
Bray have read that as well so we know your concerns and I think that was written out quite
well. Anyway so that concludes the evidence in this matter. Before I conclude the hearing is
there any party present who does not consider they have had a fair hearing? Gentlemen,
If you feel you have a fair, Mr. Brave said he's happy, Mr. Tinsley's saying he's happy.
Thank you very much. Okay, so the subcommittee will now retire together with the legal advisor
and democratic services officer for the matter to be determined. The subcommittee will come
to a decision which will be sent to the applicant and all other parties who submitted relevant
relevant representations within the time that it was set out in regulations together with
any with details of any right of appeal. Please could all parties other than members, the
legal team and democratic services please now leave the meeting. But Mr Bray, Mr Tinsley,
before you do, Gee -Wan Verde has got her hand up.
Jeevan Virdi - Legal Officer - 1:14:22
Thank you very much, Chair. Just the final time, it's just to let the applicants know
those conditions that we were discussing previously have very kindly been popped
into the chat by our Democratic Services Officer, so I wonder whether you're able to access the chat
function to just view those and let us know your thoughts on those, whether they are agreed
Applicant - 1:14:52
to go into deliberations? Yeah I've got no objections to that at all, I'll just let Nathan
obviously, but yeah no objection from me. Thank you. You know I'm more than happy to go with that as
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:15:04
well. Okay thank you very much for clarifying that. Okay so gentlemen before you disappear,
thank you very much for your time and also those that have been watching in, thank you for your
time as well. I think the meeting was conducted extremely well and you've been very open and
transparent which makes colleagues and officers lives so much much easier when they're like that.
So again, thank you, enjoy the rest of the day and you'll hear from our officers very, very shortly. Thank you.