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Licensing (Premises) Sub-Committee
Thursday, 16th July 2026 at 10:00am

 
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Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:00:00
Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay. Okay.
Okay. Council gone. We are
life. Good morning, ladies and
gentlemen. Our first business
on the agenda is to confirm the
chairman for today's hearing,
and I can confirm that
council Phil Grom has been
selected to chair this hearing.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:00:24
Thank you very much, very kind. Yes, so good morning and welcome to the Buckinghamshire

2 Introductory remarks by the Chairman

Council Licencing Subcommittee hearing in relation to an application for a new premises located at
Coffee on the Green, 1 Duncan House, Oxford Road, Stokeham Church, High Wycombe, HP 14, 3SX. I'm the
chairman for the hearing, Councillor Philip Gumm, I look after the Quaint Award and would like to
introduce you to the other panel members. So we go through councillors first and Councillor Gibbon.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:01:00
Hello I'm Councillor Gibbon and I'm the member for the Bearden, Kingbrook and Wing Ward.
Cllr Dean Field - 0:01:08
Councillor Field. Hello there I'm Councillor Dean Field for Stoke Mandeville,
Windover and Haughton Ward. Very good. Now I'll introduce you to our officers in attendance.
Kate Venables - Licensing Officer - 0:01:21
Ms Kate Van der Bauls first please. Yes good morning everyone I'm Kate Van der Bauls, Licencing Officer for Buckinghamshire Council.
So Kate will present and report the presentation provided and she also provides us with advice on
any matters relating to licencing policy guidance and practise. Then we move on to Ms Sarah Phillips.
Sarah Phillips - Legal Officer - 0:01:39
Good morning I'm Sarah Phillips from Legal Services I'm here to advise the panel today.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:01:49
Thank you very much. That's to ensure that the committee makes a decision that's both
within its powers and legally sound to do. Then we carry on. Ms Lena Hussain, if you'd
like to introduce yourself, please.
Sanilla Hussain - Democratic Services Officer - 0:01:59
Good morning. My name is Lena Hussain. I'm a partnership support officer in Democratic
Services.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:02:10
Very good. And then you look after us with our council procedures, et cetera, as we continue
on through.
Also in attendance are the following who will be involved in the hearing at various stages of discussion of the application.
So that will be the applicant, Mr. Gurdeep Singh Kannijan and also his agent, Maninder Kaur.
If you'd like to introduce yourselves, please.
Applicant - 0:02:32
My name is Gurdeep Singh Kannijan. I'm the owner of the Coffee on the Green.
Applicant's Representative - 0:02:38
Maninder Kaur, legal representative for the applicant. Thank you, Shane.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:02:43
Very nice to meet you this morning on this hearing.
I can confirm that if any relevant person is not present,
their representations have been made,
would have been read and will be considered
when reaching a decision.
So we're gonna go on to procedural items,
agenda item three.

3 Apologies for absence

Do we have any apologies for absence?
No chair.
Very good, thank you.
Turning now to declarations of interest

4 Declarations of interest

under the council's code of conduct. Do any members have any declarations of interest
they wish to bring to the attention of the subcommittee?
No. Thank you. Now we've gone to agenda item five. We have

5 Hearing Procedure Rules

the licences subcommittee hearing procedure rules which have been appended to the agenda
pack for information. Could please all parties in attendance confirm that they have seen
and understood the procedure to be followed at this hearing. Everybody read those? Thank you for
confirming on that one. Is everyone in attendance happy for the hearing to proceed as we continue
this morning? Okay so the purpose of the hearing should be borne in mind at all times to enable
those with a right to appear to advance their point of view and their concerns to test the
case of the opponents and to assist the subcommittee to gather evidence and understand the relevant
issues. Please be reminded that parties should only address the subcommittee in relation
to matters previously raised and submitted. The subcommittee may depart from this procedure
if it considers it necessary or acquittal to do so. Do we have any preliminary issues?
Yes, Chair. We do.
Kate Venables - Licensing Officer - 0:04:35
The agent proposed amended hours on the 13th July if the objector was happy to remove the
objection. These were Sunday to Thursday 10am to 10pm and Friday to Saturday 10am to 11pm.
A late response was received from the objector which repeats what was in the submission you
received by email on Tuesday the 14th July and confirms that she does not wish to withdraw
her objection. Thank you, Chair. Thank you very much for clarification on that. So we
now move to, excuse me, Agenda Item 6. We now move to consider the Officer Report being

6 Coffee On The Green

presented this morning in respect of the new premises licence at Coffey, Onagreen, 1 Duncan
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:05:16
House, Oxford Road, Stoke & Church, High Wycombe, HP 14, 3SX. Once again, please note that you
only address the subcommittee in relation to matters previously raised. Any late evidence
will only be considered with consent of all parties. I'd now like to invite the Licencing
Officer, Ms Venables, to present the report outlining the details of the application
and representations received. Over to you. Thank you, Chair.
Kate Venables - Licensing Officer - 0:05:47
The application you're considering today has been submitted by Gaudip Singh, the applicant,
in respect of Coffee on the Green, 1 Duncan House, Oxford Road, Stoke & Church, High Wycombe,
HP 14 3SX by Manpreet Singh Kapoor acting as the agent. This application is for a new
premises licence to commence with immediate effect upon the decision to grant by this licencing
authority. Coffee on the Green is a cafe which serves traditional English breakfast, lunch and
freshly baked patisseries across the day.
It is located in Duncan House,
which contains a mix of residential flats
and commercial properties on the Oxford Road
in Stoke and Church.
A location plan showing the premises location
is attached marked as appendix one.
The premises consists of a ground floor area
containing a kitchen, counter, seating area,
store and toilet.
A copy of the application is attached to the report
marked appendix two and a plan of a premises
is attached as Appendix 3. The licenceable activities sought are sale by retail of alcohol
on the premises Monday to Sunday 10am till 11pm with the same opening hours. I can confirm
the application has gone through the regulatory 28 -day consultation period and was advertised
in accordance to the requirements set out in the 2003 Act. During the consultation period
we consulted with responsible authorities and their responses are detailed in my report.
Thames Valley Police responded with a no objection and a no objection was received from the Fire and
Rescue Authority. In terms of interested parties, two valid objections were received.
One objection was withdrawn on the 25th of June following a discussion between the objector and
the applicant. A copy of the remaining representation is attached as Appendix 6.
There was also a submission made after the consultation end date which has been circulated
via email to all parties to consider in Mrs. Mudani's absence.
The relevant representation raises the following issues.
Concerns relating to the prevention of crime and disorder, the prevention of public nuisance
and public safety.
These concerns are around an increase in noise and antisocial behaviour caused by customers
gathering outside the premises late into the evening for proposed closing time and licenceable
activity time. Additional conditions were volunteered by the applicant after considering
the representation. In addition to mandatory conditions, the licencing subcommittee should
consider those conditions offered in the operating schedule, which can be found in section 10
of my report, and decide whether they are appropriate for the promotion of the licence
and objectives and discuss any valid representations made by interested parties.
In terms of policy considerations the panel must also have regard to the council's own licencing
policy which was published in 2022. Licencing is concerned for the promotion of the licencing
objectives which are the prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the prevention of public
nuisance and the protection of children from harm. The council in its role as licencing
authority must ensure that when it carries out licencing functions that it does so with
review to promoting the licencing objectives. This policy explains how the licencing authority
plans to do this. The policy seeks to balance the interests of business and residents to
make sure that Buckinghamshire council continues to offer a wide choice of high quality and
well -managed entertainment and cultural venues within an environment that is safe and attractive
to residents, business and visitors. Part C of the policy states that the licencing
authority seeks to encourage the highest standard of management in licence premises and expects
this to be demonstrated through the operating schedule and the licencing authority considers
that conditions play a key part in the promotion of the licencing objectives. Applicants are
encouraged to read this policy when preparing their applications. In terms of
antisocial behaviour, the policy states that the licencing is not the primary
mechanism for controlling antisocial behaviour away from the premises and
beyond the direct control of operators. However, it is a key aspect of such
control and licencing law is part of a holistic approach to the management of
the evening and nighttime economy in town and city centres as well as rural
areas and to some extent during the daytime too.
Public nuisance relates to the negative effects of nuisance including noise,
light, odour, dust and litter affecting or likely to affect at least a few separate households
locally. The licencing authority is keen to protect the immunity of residents and businesses
in the vicinity of licenced premises. At the same time the licencing authority is aware that the
licenced trade is important for local economy and promoting the Council's culture and leisure
aspirations. Consequently, the licenced authority will try and work together with statutory
agencies, licenced businesses, residents and other businesses to reach a compromise in
its decision making. The policy goes on to state that particular measures include noise
escape, customer departure, deliveries and waste collections, location of the premises
and complaints procedure. In terms of a prevention of crime and disorder, Section 17 of the Crime
and Disorder Act 1998 places a legal duty on the council to consider the reduction of
crime and disorder, including reduction of antisocial behaviour in all its activities.
The licencing authority will look to the police as the main source of advice on crime and
disorder matters and conditions to be applied in order to promote the crime prevention objective.
In considering licence applications where a relevant representation has been made,
the licencing authority will particularly consider the following. Under responsible sale and supply
of alcohol is expected that all premises licenced to sell and supply alcohol will have measures in
place to prevent the sale and supply of alcohol to children, serving alcohol to customers who are
drunk, antisocial street drinking in the local facility. The expected measures include written
policies and procedures, documented staff training and refresher training, the use of
refusal logs and incident reports and use of appropriate signage. Regard must also be
had to the national guidance issued by the Home Office under section 182 of the Licencing
Act. The legislation provides a clear focus on the promotion of the four statutory objectives
which must be addressed when the licencing functions are undertaken. Each objective is
of equal importance. There were no other statutory licencing objectives so the promotion of the four
objectives is of paramount consideration at all times. In relation to the prevention of crime and
disorder the statutory guidance states licencing authorities should look to the police as the main
source of advice on crime and disorder and that condition should be targeted on deterrence
and preventing crime and disorder. In relation to public safety the guidance states licence
holders have a responsibility to ensure the safety of those in their premises using their
premises. In relation to prevention of public nuisance the statutory guidance states the
2003 act enables licencing authorities and responsible authorities through representations
to consider what constitutes public nuisance and what is appropriate to
prevent it in terms of conditions attached to specific licences.
Public nuisance is given a statutory meaning in many pieces of legislation. It
is not narrowly defined in the 2003 Act and retains its broad common law meaning.
It may include in appropriate circumstances the reduction of the living
and working amenity and environment of other persons living and working in the
of a licenced premises. Beyond the immediate area surrounding the premises,
visa matters for personal responsibility of individuals under law. An individual
who engages antisocial behaviour is accountable in their own rights.
The panel is also required to have regard to human rights. The decision
regarding this application will have human right implications in respect of both the
applicants and the persons making relevant representations, which also need to be considered
equally and fairly so that the decision is proportionate and the right balance is met.
You should also consider Article 8 and Article 1 of the first protocol, that is the right
to respect for private and family life and peaceful enjoyment of property and possessions,
applications and that can include a licence. The licencing subcommittee is obliged to determine
applications in light of the above and any other material considerations with a view
to promoting the four licencing objectives which are the prevention of crime and disorder,
public safety, prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm.
As mentioned previously you must have regard to the council's licencing policy and any
guidance issued under section 182 of the licence in Act 2, 1 and 3. Relevant representations
received and the evidence presented to you at the hearing today. Each application must
be considered on its own merits and any conditions attached to the premises licence must be tailored
to the individual style and characteristics of the premises concerned. This is essential
to avoid the imposition of disproportionate and overly burdensome conditions on the premises.
Standardised conditions should be avoided and indeed may be unlawful where they cannot be shown to promote the licencing objectives.
The subcommittee must avoid duplication of other legal requirements and should only impose conditions on the premises licence which are appropriate and proportionate for the promotion of the licencing objectives and where additional or supplementary measures are required in order to promote the licencing objectives.
The following options are available to the licencing subcommittee.
You may grant the premises licence subject to any conditions which are consistent with
the operating schedule and which are considered appropriate and proportionate for promotion
of the four licencing objectives. You may exclude from the scope of the premises licence
granted any other licenseable activities to which the application relates. You may refuse
to specify a person in the premises licence granted as a designated premises supervisor.
You may reject the whole application.
You may grant the premises licence subject to different conditions for parts of the premises or the different reduced licenseable activities.
And if this is considered appropriate, apportion it to promote the four licence objectives and in response to the representations received.
The subcommittee is asked to note that it may not reject the whole or part of the application
or attached conditions merely because it considers it desirable to do so. It must actually be
appropriate and proportionate in order to promote the four licencing objectives and
be in response to the representation received and the full reasons must be given for the
subcommittee's decision. This concludes my report and I'm happy to answer any questions
if anyone has any.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:17:40
Chair you're on mute.
That doesn't normally happen. Thank you very much for advising me. As always with the licencing
officer, thank you very much for the in -depth report there for us because it helps us and
notes that are looking in to understand as well. I noticed that Councillor Fields got his hand up,
we do have a process to go through. So I just have to go to the applicant and agent first.
Is there any questions you'd like to ask the licencing officer? No questions thank you Chair.
Very kind and now I move down to members for questions for the licencing officer
and as Councillor Field had his hand up ready to go, I'll let you go with a question or questions.
Cllr Dean Field - 0:18:33
All right, thanks very much for the presentation Katie. I have one question, so on the regarding the flats,
you didn't mention how many flats were adjacent to the actual premises, can you tell me that?
Kate Venables - Licensing Officer - 0:19:02
I do not know the definite, I believe the flats are above the premises is my understanding but maybe the applicant could advise further on that.
Yeah we'll wait then.
The flats are above the premises yeah.
Applicant - 0:19:08
And how many flats would that be?
There's one right directly, there's one upstairs right directly and there's two adjacent to that.
Cllr Dean Field - 0:19:17
So out of the three objections, just so I got it in my head, there was two of which you've engaged and your closing time has gone down by an hour.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:19:36
Hold on Councillor Phil, we're drifting a bit here, we're drifting from the licencing officer, there are questions we can go when we speak to the applicant and agent.
Sadly we haven't got the objectors here but that will be more, your questions will be diving into a little bit later if you don't mind.
Cllr Dean Field - 0:19:59
Yeah, but I was just referring to, because these are the areas which Kate covered in her report, so it was purely that reason.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:20:06
Well, it was just twisting back to what I understood at the beginning where you were going on that one, but then it sort of diverse.
Sarah, am I right there a little bit on the legal side? It was bordering. Anyway, let's move forward and we'll dig deeper when we get to the agent and applicant on that one, I think.
because then we could draw those objections in as well, Councillor Field, if you don't mind.
Yep, I apologise.
No, no, no, no, I apologise, it just got me there.
Is there any other questions, Councillor Field, you'd like to ask the Licencing Officer?
Cllr Dean Field - 0:20:40
No, thank you, not at this stage, thank you.
Very, very good.
Councillor Gibbon?
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:20:46
No?
No, no, thank you.
Thank you. I've got one just to go back to when you brought up the preliminary issues about there.
And you said that subject to the latest objection that came in from the objector.
and then you mentioned that the agent and applicant were prepared to change their conditions a bit
and then you said that the objector wasn't still satisfied and wanted to leave her objection
Kate Venables - Licensing Officer - 0:21:33
letter in, is that correct? That's correct Councillor Chair. So the agent proposed a reduction in hours
and that was based on the initial representation,
which is Appendix 6 in my report.
It wasn't based on the furthest admission.
So, and it was just a reduction in hours.
And again, you can clarify with the agent and applicants,
but I believe that as the objector was not happy
to accept those reduction in hours,
they probably are not going to put that forward immediately.
Councillor Finne, I think when we get to the agent
and applicant. I think that's where you could dig deeper on now. I think I lured that into that one
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:22:12
for you because yeah very good, no problem. So now we'd move on I'd like to invite the applicant and
agent to address the hearing. If there's more you'd like to add please, we would very much
Applicant's Representative - 0:22:23
appreciate that. Thank you very much. Thank you chair. I'd like to start off by speaking about
the applicant's experience. The applicant has extensive experience in the licence trade,
having operated off -licence premises since 2015.
Over these years, he's gained thorough understanding of the Licencing Act 2003
and the responsibility that is placed upon licence holders
and the importance of promoting the four licencing objectives.
This is a family -run business and the applicant has a track record of compliance.
The off -licence immediately next to the door to this cafe is operated by the same family
and has traded without any licencing issues.
This demonstrates the applicant's ability
to responsibly manage licence premises
and implement effective compliance measures.
The experience gained over the years gives confidence
that this cafe will be operated to the same high standard.
Firstly, there have been no objections
from any responsible authority.
Dames Valley Police, who are the primary source of advice
on crime and disorder have not objected to this application. The only objections raised have been
from neighbouring residents, one which has been withdrawn after constructive discussions with
the applicant. The applicant has taken these concerns seriously and he's voluntarily agreed
to a number of additional conditions that specifically address them, such as alcohol
being supplied by the waiter or waitress service only, alcohol only being consumed to customers
seated within the premises, no alcohol to be taken outside, a written dispersal policy
which would include steps such as a gradual dispersal towards closing time, asking customers
to leave quietly, notices being on display to leave quietly, to not congregate outside and where
required staff would assist the customers if they require taxis when leaving, a written noise
management plan, no deliveries, bottle disposal or waste collections between 8pm and 8am,
and a designated smoking area to be actively supervised to minimise disturbance. The hours
that were proposed in reduction of 10am to 10pm from Sunday to Thursday will still be
applied and similarly Friday to Saturday 10am to 2300 hours. These conditions directly address
concerns that were raised regarding noise and public nuisance. The operating schedule also
contains comprehensive safeguards including CCTV, staff training, refusal books, challenge 25,
and alcohol being sourced. There will be a staff training manual at the cafe at all times
which will include the posters that would be on display. Please leave quietly posters.
a Challenge 25 policy to be a date at all times, CCTV posters, as well as a refusal
book and an incident book. These measures clearly demonstrate the applicant has carefully
considered how the licencing objectives will be promoted. The applicant fully understands
his responsibility. All members of staff will receive documented training before being authorised
to sell alcohol and refresher training would continue throughout their employment. I would
like to go through paragraph 9 .43 of the section 182 guidance which makes clear licencing authorities
determination should be evidence based and not based on speculation. We appreciate the
concerns by the resident. However, there is no evidence that granting this premises licence
will give rise to public nuisance. There is currently no evidence this premises would
cause any such. The application has robust measures in place, an experienced operator
with over a decade of licencing experience, compliance history, no objections from the
or any responsible authority. He has a willingness to engage positively with neighbours. It will not
be alcohol -led, it is a cafe for the community. Comprehensive operating procedures and robust
additional conditions specifically designed to seek those concerns by the resident.
Therefore we believe the applicant has already volunteered extensive conditions and should be
the licence on the basis that the four licencing objectives will be promoted and are dated. I'm
open for any questions, thank you. Very kind, nice presentation there for us again,
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:27:08
going a bit more in depth. So does the licencing officer have any questions to come forward please?
Kate Venables - Licensing Officer - 0:27:17
Just one please, can you just confirm the hours that you're requesting? Is it the same as the
Applicant's Representative - 0:27:24
use hours of 10am to 10pm Sunday to Thursday and Friday to Saturday 10am to 11pm.
Thank you for clarifying that, that's all thank you chair.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:27:44
Very good, now I'll go over to our members. Who would like to go first? I know that Councillor
Field was eager off the starting block today. So I'm going to oblige you and let him off the hook.
So Councillor Field, if you'd like to ask your questions, please.
Cllr Dean Field - 0:28:03
Hello, sorry, I do jump the gun sometimes. So regarding, so your typical day regarding the
coffee shop. You're not going to have no background music or nothing like that at all? I'm just
trying to see how a normal coffee shop works and I wonder if you can just help me, what
your view on the premises or the typical working day would be. If you can answer that first
on the music thing, you know, no background music or nothing like that, the outside seating area
I think is quite limited but I'm right in saying it's only a small patch by me looking
on Google Maps at the moment. Can you just clarify that for me please?
Applicant - 0:29:08
We do have, yeah, we do have limited seating outside and in relation to music we will be,
might be just having the local radio station playing or obviously with maybe something on
the TV as a news or some sorts here, nothing major. Okay and I jumped the gun earlier and
Cllr Dean Field - 0:29:26
said about the properties, so there's three flats of which, am I right in saying the two initial
complaints came from the same address? So initially we had one objection which was from
flag directly upstairs of the premises which we obviously spoke with the person, the tenant living
in there and we agreed and then obviously they withdrew their objection. And then this next one
Applicant - 0:29:53
is from a landlord of the premises I occupy where I run a convenience store which is right next door
to this coffee shop. So the landlord obviously lives, they live about half a mile or 12 mile away
But obviously they have tenants upstairs above the premises as well.
Yeah because of that concern they raised the objection.
Cllr Dean Field - 0:30:16
Okay my only last comment rather than a question is you've engaged with these people and
that is a big plus the way I look for things. You've diluted your opening hours to please the
the concerns and yeah I have no further questions at this stage thanks very much.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:30:42
Very good Councillor Field. Councillor Gibbon over to you.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:30:46
All right thank you. A few questions, some of which actually have already been answered but
So you sort of mentioned how you'll ask people to sort of leave quietly in the evening.
Do you sort of have a strategy in place to sort of move them on if they sort of like
lurk around and cause disturbance? Do you have a strategy to sort of move them on and get them to
go home? Obviously we'll ask them politely to obviously you know make their way home. We will
Applicant - 0:31:26
obviously asking for last orders as well before the closing time to kind of, you know, convey
the message that you know they're closing soon and they should start to you know proceed
towards the, towards going home as soon as we close. So we will obviously have notices
up around the premises and we will request them to you know make their way home after
the closing hours.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:31:53
Okay thank you. And as you've got those seats outside, how
late would you expect people to be outside eating and drinking?
When will you have to be at a point where you'll stay? I think we have around, we have just three tables
outside which holds two people each, each table holds two people. So in maximum
have about five, six people sitting outside. We're more than happy to kind of have people
sitting inside after, say around eight, nine o 'clock, not a problem, we can do that as well.
Applicant - 0:32:22
So there'll be nobody sitting outside after eight, nine o 'clock.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:32:31
Okay thank you. And the other thing I wanted to ask, actually I hope I'm not sort of stepping on
Councillor Gomes feet here because I think he was also a bit interested. You mentioned it's going to
be a community sort of place. I'm just sort of wondering a bit about the ethos of it because it
was a coffee shop but what you're doing now sounds very different so I just sort of wondering
what is actually going to be like there and you know will you still be selling pastries
and in the evenings will you be selling food or will it just be drink? I just sort of wonder
what what the ambiance would you like will be like? Obviously we'll still continue as
Applicant - 0:33:02
we're heavily heavily led on food and we will be a cafe. This premises licence is just for
the for the days I mean where someone just wants to quietly have a drink because there
low elderly people around the area who have requested us that would love to come in, maybe
just have just watch some tv and and have a drink quietly. Also it's for on days like where we have
some bookings for example bingo night or quiz night where we can sell some alcohol to people
to kind of promote people to come and use use our use our premises in the evenings.
Okay that that sounds actually I really like the idea of that because it's lovely for people to
able to sort of meet up with their friends and have a bit of company. So will you also be selling
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:33:46
things like tea and coffee sort of early on in the day as well not just not just alcohol? Of course
yeah I mean our main trade is the coffee, it's been a coffee shop so everything that we currently
Applicant - 0:33:56
currently sell will stay. We have coffees, breakfast, pasties and all that that would all stay
obviously after 10 a .m or you know we'll start selling alcohol for people that want to just come
quietly have a drink.
And so in the evening they wouldn't have to eat, they can just, I know that was one
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:34:12
of the questions I think from the lady who complained, so they
they can drink without having any food. That's what people would like, yeah, so
if they're coming for a quiz night or you know they're playing their games
they just want to have a drink, so we'd like to obviously let them have
that as well.
The only other question I've got, this is a difficult one for you, where were you sort
of going to advise people to smoke?
We have, obviously there is a lot of greenery just right outside the coffee shop.
I mean obviously people can smoke there if they want to.
Applicant - 0:34:54
Also we have a lot more space near the front of the shop where we occupy the convenience
store so you have a lot of space there as well which is just obviously right in front of the
road so there's a lot of noise from from the cars as well so you know it's just if they want to
stand there they can smoke there or they can stand right in front of the coffee shop which is a bit
of a nice greenery area if they want to smoke there. We have currently we have those two applications.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:35:22
Okay my last question because you do have people living above you
and you were saying you're going to be having that TV on and things like that, will you sort of be monitoring how much noise that will be making it and will you be shutting the doors maybe if it's too loud late in the evening?
Applicant - 0:35:43
Definitely, we will be shutting the doors in the evening and also we will be obviously we don't play music or TV too loud so we'll be making sure of the noise levels at all times.
Okay, thank you very much.
Thank you.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:35:49
Captain Gibbon, am I allowed to ask any questions?
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:35:56
No. Licencing officer has got her hand up.
I have, thank you chair. I just want to clarify a couple of points that have been raised
in those discussions. So regarding the outside space, I just want to confirm that this application
Kate Venables - Licensing Officer - 0:36:16
is just for on the premises and as you can see from the plan in appendix three,
the premises is just inside, it doesn't cover any outside space. So I just want to clarify that,
so there will be no sale of alcohol, so alcohol will not be consumed outside the premises.
That's fine, that's agreed. Okay and regarding another point that came up,
just that since regarding the deregulated, I'm so sorry, regarding background music and again
since the lighting that came to effect there's been a series of deregulatory changes,
meaning that no licence is required for performances of live and recorded music
between the hours of 8am and 11pm on a premises licenced for sale of alcohol,
provided the audience does not exceed 500 people. Thank you chair. Thank you very much.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:37:09
Okay so I've got a few please. I would have had a few more but um Councillor Gibbons took them,
don't mind either. So I know from the plan you've got CCTV inside and I would assume with your,
I'm glad you answered that question about the off -licence next door actually because that was
a question that I was going to slip in there so you you answered it for you, very good on that.
Would you be having any CCTV just outside monitoring the door or anything like that?
I don't know if you've got that next door, the off licence, but you really have that
and outside the off licence and the coffee shop.
Applicant - 0:37:50
Yeah, thank you.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:37:56
And then and again, Councillor Gibbon asked the questions I was going to say
about your activity, you know, the ambiance in the night.
Well, I've already established what you intend to be doing by the sound of it is
making it more of a community asset as well, community hub like we're doing,
you're being or whatever you do so I'm going to you know compliments on that one and if you do
get your licence from this I will be contacting our community board to contact you as well because
that might be another asset that can help you from from the council but maybe that's that's just in
case you do so and then going back to that seating area like you say you've got that lovely green
um out out the front there yeah as we as we look forward I'm just going to ask a forward thinking
question um if the opportunity arose because you know we've got warmer weather coming
lovely summer evenings and like you say you're trying to make it that good if if the opportunity
arose and in the right circumstances would you like to extend out the front with a seated area
if if everyone was in a sort of an agreement if you get the licence. Of course yeah we'd love to
Applicant - 0:39:11
you know in the past I've seen obviously before we own this coffee shop I've seen there used to
be tables on the green as well and you know customers were having breakfast there or coffee
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:39:25
there on the green so yeah I mean obviously we'd love that. Thank you very much and then
And then and then the last question I got is there is a public house nearby.
I'm not sure how near is that to you?
Because, you know, again, with what they do, their premises, you're doing
because coffee shops are becoming quite popular with the younger generation and
all sorts of work with the with the the pub.
Do they have an open space at the front and stuff like that?
I'm wondering, you know, in the longer, in a different term, you know, could that affect problems for you if they had a seated area unmanaged and that's what I was thinking, but they don't.
They don't have a sitting area outside then.
OK.
That's all I've got to ask really on my questions.
So as we continue on with there, we're going to now move to closing submissions from everybody.
So if you wish to make any, we're going to do it in the following order. It will be the licencing officer first and an applicant and agent at the same time.
So closing submissions. Licencing officer?
No, thank you, Jack.
No. OK.
there. Really? And then to the agent and applicant have you got any closing submissions you'd like
Applicant's Representative - 0:40:55
to make? I would just like to go over the same thing Jelita, that you know no responsible
authority has objected to this application. Already robust measures were put in place in
the operating schedule and as you can see he and the applicant has agreed additional conditions
with the objective in mind of the concerns raised. We are again happy with the reduction of hours
and this has led for the community. I'm sure now you all have a better understanding of
why we the applicant would like alcohol licence at the premises, so we feel the licence should be
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:41:31
granted. Thank you. Yeah and I'd like to say you know so colleagues all of us would have read the
objections that have been submitted. We didn't see the first one that was withdrawn, but you know
the person that has put the objections in there, we certainly would have read that so I just need
her to know if she's looking in or whatever and you know we will say experience to what goes on in
different areas and what people are trying to achieve for their businesses. I'm going to turn
around and say I'd like to say how good of you it was to adapt to those changes by, you know,
those comments that were made by a single objector and, you know, you've done your best to try and
adapt that. So, but again, that'll be down to the committee, down to the group to talk about
afterwards and then we go from there. So, after, since we got that far, so that concludes the
in this matter before I can conclude the hearing.
Is there any party president who does not consider
that they have had a fair hearing?
Is everyone happy with the hearing they've had?
And again, to anyone looking in and objectors,
your information would have been read
and we would be taken into consideration
when we discussed the application.
So the subcommittee will now retire together
with the legal advisor and democratic services officer
for the matter to be determined. A subcommittee will come to a decision which will be sent
to the applicant and all other parties who submitted relevant representations within
a time limit set out in the regulations together with the details of any right of appeal. So
please could all parties other than the members, the legal advisor and democratic services
now leave the hearing. But before you do, I'd like to say it's a pleasure to meet you
and whatever we wish you all the success in all your businesses by the sound of it. Thank you very
much. Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you.