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Licensing (Premises) Sub-Committee
Thursday, 20th August 2026 at 10:30am

 
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1 Confirmation of Chairman

Sanila Hussain - Democratic Services Officer - 0:00:00
Good morning ladies and gentlemen. Our first business on the agenda is to confirm the chairman
for today's hearing and I can confirm that Councillor Phil Gorm has been selected to

2 Introductory remarks by the Chairman

Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:00:11
chair this hearing today. Thank you very much, Selina. So good morning
and welcome to the Buckinghamshire Council Licencing Subcommittee hearing in relation
to an application for new premises located at Patice Social Club, 32 High Street, Chalfont
St Peter, Gerrits Cross SL99QA. I'm the Chairman for the hearing, I'm Philip Gombe and I am
from the Quait Award of Buckinghamshire and as we move round to my colleagues,
Councillor Gibbon if you'd like to introduce yourself please.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:00:44
Hello, well I'm Kathy Gibbon and I'm the Member for Bearden, Kingsbrook and Wing.
And Councillor Kelly.
Cllr Paul Kelly - 0:00:52
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:00:55
Councillor Paul Kelly, Member for Burnham.
Great, now I'm going to take you around the room even more.
We're going to introduce you to the officers and our first officer that I introduce you to is Sarah Coates.
Good morning everyone, I'm Sarah Coates, Licencing Officer for Buckinghamshire Council.
And Sarah, as she says, is our Licencing Officer and she will present the report and provide advice on any matters related to licencing policy, guidance and practise.
Then as we move on to Laura Heller.
Good morning, my name is Laura Heller. I'm a solicitor with the Council's legal department and I'll be acting against the legal advisor to the committee today.
Very good, thank you. Yeah, she's here to advise the panel on licencing and local government law.
This is to ensure that when the committee makes a decision it is both within its powers and legally sound too.
Then we carry on is Mr Neela Hussain.
Good morning, Sheila Hussain from Democratic Services supporting the meeting today.
Yeah, she supports us in the meeting and again is able to advise on council procedures as we move on.
So as we continue, also in attendance, we'll be involved in the hearing at various stages of discussion of the application.
Now, if I pronounce your names wrong, correct me after this, but I will do my best.
I'm normally quite good, so bear with me. So we've got Mr Vishal Dinesh Pankani.
Yep, so it's Vishal Dinesh Pankaniya.
Pankaniya. Do you mind if I refer to you as Mr Pankaniya during the course of the hearing?
That's absolutely fine.
Very kind, thank you. And that makes it easier for me with your wife with us.
I'm going to try this this is Gurkharat and Kanya, sorry. It's a great attempt.
Okay thank you very much for that and then we move on we've got a counsellor here today, Diana.
Minors? No it's Diane but we won't worry about that you almost got that one right as well.
It's Diane Minors, not Diana.
So I got Minors right, but I just didn't get Diana? Okay, thank you very much.
As to I'm reading so much all the time, you see, but very good to have you here.
And is there any other members or people here with us today? Sunila, is this the whole group?
Yes, this is the whole group, Chairman.
Thank you very much. So I can confirm that if any relevant person is not present with their
representations we will have read them and would have considered when reaching a decision. So if we

3 Apologies for absence

continue on onto agenda item three, do we have any apologies of absence? No Chairman. Thank you very
much. Now turning to declarations of interest under the council's code of conduct. Do any
members have a declaration of interest that they wish to bring to the attention of the

4 Declarations of interest

subcommittee. Councillor Kelly.
None. Thank you, Chair.
Thank you. Councillor Gibbon and I, just it's a bit of a borderline, but both of us sit
on the Children's Education Select Committee at Council. And as it's mentioned that this
to do with like soft play and and stuff like that. We're just covering ourselves on on that. It has
no relevance but we're just allowing you to know to be open. I actually chair that meeting as well
but we like to be open and transparent for you as well so thank you very much for accepting that.

5 Hearing Procedure Rules

Then we move on to agenda item five. Agenda item five we have the licencing subcommittee
here in procedure rules which have been appended to the agenda pack for information.
I'd like to cheque that all parties in attendance confirm that they have seen and understood the procedure to be followed at the hearing.
Everyone? Yes. Very good. Agreed. Yeah. We do stick to the, you know, as it goes, there's an agenda, we stick to that.
But I am quite, you know, open at times to just drift slightly, say, but you'll be asked to speak at certain times, etc. Good.
So is everyone in attendance happy for the hearing to proceed?
Thank you.
So the purpose of the hearing should be borne in mind at all times to enable those with a right to appear to advance their point of view and concerns to test the case of their opponents and to assist on the subcommittee to gather evidence and understand the relevant issues.
Please be reminded that parties should only address the subcommittee in relation to matters previously raised or submitted.
The subcommittee may depart from this procedure if it considers it necessary and or equitable to do so.
Do we have any preliminary issues?
Can you explain what that means as opposed to us having issues in general?
So I'll hand that to our legal Laura.
Laura Heller - Legal - 0:06:25
Yes, so thank you chair. That would be any matters of kind of legal issues or that the licencing officer needed to raise prior to the start of the hearing, sometimes due with the submission of late evidence, that kind of thing.
But there aren't any preliminary issues chair, thank you.
Thank you very much for explaining that for us.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:06:43
Is you happy with that explanation, Mr Minors?
Yep, I'm good.

6 Petite Social Club, 32 High Street, Chalfont St Peter

right so we now move to consider the officer report being presented this morning in respect
to the new premises licence at Petite Social Club 32 High Street, Chalfont St Peter,
Jared's Cross SL99QA. Please note that you should only address the subcommittee in relation
to matters previously raised. Any late evidence will only be considered with the consent of all
part is present. We have not received no lay evidence, which was good. I'd now like to
invite the Licencing Officer, Ms Coates, to present the report outlining the detail of
the application and representations received. So over to you.
Thank you, Chair. Oh, sorry, just before we start this, all microphones off, please. That's
Sarah Coates - Licensing Officer - 0:07:35
it, very good. It's only because we get feedback. Right, sorry, now over to you.
Thank you. So the application being considered today has been submitted by the applicant,
Mr Vishal Dinesh Pankania, in respect of Petit Social Club, 32 High Street, Chalfont St Peter,
Gerald's Cross, SL 99QA. The premises comprise a ground floor unit situated on the corner
of the High Street, adjacent to the White Hart Public House. The property is located
within the village's main shopping and service centre and is surrounded predominantly by
commercial premises. A location plan is provided on page 25 of your agenda document. The application
is for a new premises licence to commence with immediate effect upon the decision to
grant by this licencing authority. The licence for activities sought are sale by retailer
alcohol for the consumption on the premises only restricted to the cafe area between the
hours of 10 a .m. and 11 p .m. Monday to Saturday, to Monday to Sunday, sorry. The proposed opening
hours are Monday to Sunday, 9 .30 to 5 p .m. The applicant has explained that the sale
of alcohol hours are extended past the opening hours to accommodate private events that may
run past normal opening hours. Public access will not be permitted to the premises between
5pm and 11pm. Following receipt of the application, the applicant provided evidence on the 29th
of June, 2026, that the statutory blue notice that had been displayed at the premises, sorry,
of the statutory blue notice that had been displayed at the premises. However, upon review,
it was identified that the notice contained incorrect licence in hours. As the Licencing
Act 2003 requires the application to be advertised accurately throughout the consultation period,
the applicant was advised to display a corrected notice.
A revised blue notice was subsequently displayed on the 1st of July 2026
and a full 20 -day consultation period was carried out from that date
in accordance with the Licencing Act.
No representations were received from any of the responsible authorities,
including Thames Valley Police, Environmental Health, the Licencing Authority,
Fire and Rescue, Planning Authority, Training Standards,
safeguarding and child protection unit or the primary care trust. One valid representation
was received from Chalfont St Peter Parish Council on the grounds of all four licencing
objectives. This is included in your agenda pack on page 37 to 39. The representation
raises concerns that the sale of alcohol would be fundamentally incompatible with the premises
primary function as an early years children's facility and would undermine the licencing
objectives. The representation requests that the application be refused and the concerns
expressed focus primarily on safeguarding and the potential impact of introducing alcohol
into a venue used by babies, toddlers and young children. The applicant submitted a
written response directly to the parish council to address the concerns raised and a copy
of this response is included in your agenda pack on pages 41 to 44. Members should consider
the proposed measures that have been included in the operating schedule of the application
and whether they are appropriate and proportionate to promote the licencing objectives and address
the concerns raised within the representation. In addition to the mandatory conditions that
apply to all licenced premises, the applicant is offered a comprehensive set of operating
schedule conditions covering staff training and refresher training to include safeguards
in policies, maintenance of a refusal and incident log, restricting alcohol consumption
to the designated cafe area, management oversight during all opening hours, public safeguarding
risk assessment, fire safety procedures, challenge 25 age verification and supervision of all
children under the age of 16. Members will notice that the version of the operating schedule
contained on pages 21 and 22 of the Agenda Pack varies slightly from that originally
submitted by the applicant. The proposed conditions put forward by the applicant have been translated
into clear and precise conditions to ensure they're enforceable.
These have been agreed with the applicant.
Each application must be considered on its own merits
and any conditions attached to the premises licence
must be tailored to the individual style and characteristics
of the premises concerned.
This is essential to avoid the imposition of dish proportionate
and overly burdensome conditions on a premises.
In determining this application, members must also have regard
to the Buckinghamshire Council's statement of licencing policy.
Where relevant representation has been received regarding the crime and disorder objective,
the licencing authority will particularly consider the responsible sale and supply of
alcohol.
Applicants are expected to demonstrate in their operating schedule how they intend to
promote the crime and prevention objective in relation to the licence of activities provided.
The licencing authority will treat the police as the main source of advice on conditions
to be applied in order to promote the crime prevention objective.
It is expected that all premises licenced to sell and supply alcohol will have measures
in place to prevent the sale and supply of alcohol to children and the serving of alcohol
to customers who may be drunk. The expected measures include written policies and procedures,
documented staff training and refresher training, the use of refusal logs and incident logs
and the use of appropriate signage. Under the public safety objective, applicants must
be able to demonstrate that they have undertaken a thorough assessment of the risks to the
safety presented by their intended activities.
Statutory duties in relation to risk assessments
arise from Health and Safety at Work Act 1974
and the Regulatory Reform Fire Safety Order 2005.
The licencing authority does not intend to impose conditions
which simply replicate other statutory controls,
but it will scrutinise whether all relevant measures
are being applied so as to promote the licencing objectives.
Applicants are encouraged, though not obliged,
to submit their applications with evidence of compliance of such controls. Depending
on the individual circumstances, control measures proposed in the operating schedule may include
noise escape and also location. Protecting children from harm is one of the core licencing
objectives. Licence premises can be a high risk environment for children and young people.
Risks can include underage consumption of alcohol with exposure to violence and disorder
and exposure to inappropriate entertainment.
The licencing authority encourages all ordered operators
of licenced premises to put in place a safeguarding policy.
The licencing authority expect operators
of high risk premises to have written child safeguarding
policies in place and high risk premises
could include premises used exclusively
or primarily for the sale of alcohol consumption
or premises where unoccupied children may be permitted
such as shops or late night takeaway food venues.
Where concerns have been identified in respect of individual premises and it is felt that
access of children should be restricted, the options available would include limitation
on the hours of where children will be present, age limitations for persons under 18, limitations
or exclusion with certain activities taking place and full exclusion of persons under
18 where certain licence of activities are taking place.
Where a large number of children are likely to be present on any licence premises, applicants
to consider the additional risks associated with children. The operating schedule should
consider measures that will ensure the prevention of harm to the children and also to ensure
public safety. Similarly, if a licenced premises has an event involving under 18, the 18s licence
holders are expected to risk assess beforehand and implement satisfactory arrangements to
ensure alcohol is not made available to under 18 -year -olds. The licencing authority considers
that underage consumption of alcohol to be a particularly serious issue. All premises
licenced for the sale by retail of alcohol are required by way of mandatory condition
to have an age verification policy in place. Regard must also be had to the national guidance
issued by the Home Office under section 182 of the Licencing Act 2003. Licencing authorities
are responsible authorities and responsible authorities should expect applicants when
preparing an operating schedule to set out the measures to protect the children from
harm on the premises. Conditions where they are appropriate should reflect the licence
of activities taking place on the premises. In addition to the mandatory conditions regarding
age verification, other conditions related to prevention of children from harm can include
restrictions on the hours where children may be present and the requirements for accompanying
adult. The panel is also required to have regard to human rights. The decision regarding
in this application will have human rights implications
in respect to both applicant and the persons
making relevant representations,
which also need to be considered equally and fairly
so that the decision is proportionate
and to the right balance.
You should also consider Article 8
and Article 1 of the first protocol,
and that is the right to respect for private
and family life and peaceful enjoyment
of property and possessions,
and that can include a licence.
The subcommittee is obliged to determine applications
in light of the above and any other material considerations with a view to promoting the
four licencing objectives, which are prevention of crime and disorder, public safety, the
prevention of public nuisance and the protection of children from harm. The following options
are available to the licencing committee today. You may grant the premises licence subject
to any conditions which are consistent with the operating schedule and which are considered
appropriate and proportionate for the promotion of the four licencing objectives. You may
Exclude from the scope of the premises licence granted any of the licence activities to which
the application relates.
You may refuse to specify a person in the premises licence as a designated premises
supervisor.
You may reject the whole of the application, or you may grant the premises licence subject
to different conditions for different parts of the premises, or for different or reduced
licencing licence activities if this is considered appropriate and proportionate to promote the
licence and objectives and in response to the representations received. The subcommittee
is asked to note that it may not reject the whole or part of the application or attach
conditions merely because it considers it desirable to do so. The subcommittee is asked
to note that it may not reject the whole or part of the application or modify, add or
vary the conditions merely because it considers it desirable to do so. This concludes my summary
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:18:11
chair and I'm happy to answer any questions. As always thank you very much, a good brief
there for us to work to and now you can have your sip of water. I think all of us are in
that mode at the moment but thank you very much. So I'm going to move round the room
for people to talk, ask questions of the licenced officer. So Mr and Mrs Pang, let me get it
Right, and Cam here.
Yep.
Good. Okay.
If you've got any questions you'd like to ask the licencing officer.
I don't know if you have any questions. It's more around, you know, just a bit more about, you know, our setup and what we're trying to do.
So I've got some notes here, etc.
So when I give you your time, you'll be able to put that forward to us.
I think it'd be easy to be quite focused then, that doesn't really, what you'd be scrutinising at the moment is what the licencing officer would have said.
So there'll be your opportunity as we continue. Is that OK?
Yeah, I don't think we've got any questions. I'm not so much as a matter of fact.
Very good. Then we move on to members now. Members, Councillor Kelly, any questions?
Cllr Paul Kelly - 0:19:32
Only one, but it's to do with the response, officer's response to the parish council's
concerns. Can I raise the point? Yeah. Okay. Thank you, Chair. So just in appendix five,
item seven on the conclusion, just wanted a bit more information around the officers
mentioned that alcohol would remain modest. Do we have any facts to back that up or are we just,
it's an assumption that there would be a modest usage of alcohol on that site? I mean, nobody
knows but I just wanted to know where that came from, please. Yeah, so our thoughts on being
modest, where our sessions... Hold on, hold on, hold on. So that was to the officer, sorry.
Yeah, yeah. Thank you. Sorry, was that within my report or within the...
On page, Councillor Kelly. On the agenda pack, do you know which page
it was? Page 44 of the agenda pack, item 7, conclusion
of appendix 5. Second line down.
Sarah Coates - Licensing Officer - 0:20:41
Is that the application? The application, yeah, so that's their response
to the parish council. Yeah, that's yeah. Okay, that'd be a question Councillor Kelly for the applicant.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:20:49
Thank you. Okay, yeah fair enough and Councillor Gibbon any questions for licencing officer?
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:20:58
Just one, have you received a safeguarding policy from the applicants? I have not received a
Sarah Coates - Licensing Officer - 0:21:10
safeguarding policy but that is something that they should be able to provide upon request for
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:21:12
records. Okay that'll be a question again Councillor Gibbon you'd like to probe to the applicant as we
as we move forward. Now it's my turn I've got one question. During your deliberation there you
mentioned it's an early years children's facility is it a registered early years facility?
Sarah Coates - Licensing Officer - 0:21:36
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:21:41
It may be a question for the applicant, it's not that I'm aware of, but it may be a question that the applicant can answer.
I only picked up because you had mentioned it, so yeah I will go to those as we come through.
That's my questions and now Diane Miners, if you'd like to ask your questions?
I have no questions, thank you.
Very good, we let her off quite easy this morning.
right, so we continue them. So now I'd like to continue then as we invite the applicants to
address the hearing. So over to you two and then it'll be question time afterwards, okay? Thank
Applicants - 0:22:12
you very much. Sure, okay yeah as I said I've got some notes here so thank you all and thank you
Applicants - 0:22:20
chair. Just want to give you a bit of a background, a bit of more information about Petite Social Club.
So Petite Social Club is a family cafe and a community venue that serves parents, grandparents,
carers and children. I want to make it abundantly clear that we are not a pub, a bar, a nightclub or
an alcohol -led business. This application is intended to allow responsible adults the option
of enjoying a glass of wine, beer or a similar drink while visiting the cafe or attending
an occasional pre -booked family event. We fully support the four licencing objectives and have
proposed comprehensive controls including some which have been mentioned, the Challenge 25,
staff training, refusals, incident logs, safeguarding procedures, management supervision,
and public nuisance controls. Importantly, which is a key part of this, is there is no history
of crime, disorder or safeguarding concerns, nuisance, complaints or management failures
associated with Petite Social Club. While we understand the concerns raised by the parish
council, they are speculative rather than evidence based at this moment. We respectfully
submit that this application can be granted without undermining any of the licencing objectives.
We really want to follow up with some of those questions if any of the council members want to just repeat those questions that we can we can address them one by one.
We do that at the end of your presentation.
Understood. Understood. So I'll go through all four points. So, you know, the first one is, again, you know, this is a family venue.
Yep, many times it's been referred to as a children's venue.
This is not solely a children's venue.
This cafe is specifically designed for all ages.
Yep, not just children.
So, yep, you know, the primary purpose of the premises remains family activities,
cafe services and community engagement.
There'll be no public bar, no vertical drinking, no drinking games, no responsible alcohol
promotions, no alcohol led events. Alcohol is expected to account for only a small proportion
of our business activity and the character of the premises will remain unchanged.
Again, just going back to, you know, the core point around the Licencing Act, it requires
decisions to be based on evidence rather than speculation. There is, as I mentioned, there's
been no evidence presented of crime, disorder, safeguarding failures, public nuisance or
management failings. This demonstrates that Petite Social Club has been operating responsibly.
The concerns raised focus on what might happen rather than what is likely to happen based
on evidence.
Furthermore, the children and responsible alcohol consumption are compatible.
The presence of children does not make responsible alcohol consumption inappropriate.
there are many licenced family environments
safely operate throughout the UK,
such as restaurants, family cafes, hotels,
garden centres, leisure facilities,
adults regularly and routinely enjoy alcohol responsibly
while supervising their children.
And you can see that I'm sure everybody
has been to a pub before,
especially with the lovely summers evenings that we're having. There are plenty of children around
in an environment where potentially they are more risky, risk, have higher risk, you know,
opportunities than we do at Petite Social Club. You know, in these pubs you could have uncontrolled
drinking, you have people without children playing drinking games and all sorts, and also there could
maybe drugs involved in pubs.
Yep, this is something, you know, we do not have.
We are not a childcare provider.
We are not a crèche.
Parents and accompanying adults remain responsible
for supervising their children at all times
as per our T's and C's and our signage throughout our venue.
Is there anything else you wanted to mention?
No, I think I'm having this one.
Yeah, I think, yeah.
but I think that's sort of covered our points.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:27:17
Very good, thank you very much for your presentation there and we're going to go
around questions. You know with the report that you sent in everyone would have read that,
so that's where they'd pick up questions as well for you know what you presented.
So does the licencing officer have any questions to put forward to the applicant?
Sarah Coates - Licensing Officer - 0:27:39
I just have a couple actually if that's okay. My first question is obviously around the sale by retail of alcohol being applied for much later than the opening hours.
What is the, what sort of events is it that you may be offering after sort of five o 'clock until 11?
What is the vision for sort of that period after you've closed to the public?
Applicants - 0:28:07
So our evenings, we were hoping to maybe host some mum socials or parent socials just to bring parents in who probably don't have other mum friends,
just to get them together.
And if they wanted to have a choice of a beverage
during those evening socials,
that was our idea around those opening hours.
We've already had mums clubs, of course, alcohol free,
and these events have been fantastic.
And a lot of the feedback has been, do you know what,
we would have loved a little glass of Prosecco
in the evening during the event.
These events in the evening are,
currently have been solely adults with no children.
Yeah, and we also do sort of like feel good events in the evening for parents where they can come
and talk to specialists in terms of skin care, healthcare, things like that. We want to promote
Sarah Coates - Licensing Officer - 0:29:03
healthy living. Okay, thank you. That actually answers both my questions, so that's all for me.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:29:07
thank you. As you say you had two and then you changed it to one which is fair. I would say
Sarah I expect some of the Councillors were going to ask the same questions so
good you pre -prepped that as we went along. So as we carry on no more questions for the
Licencing Officer. I'm now going to move to members. Councillor Gibbon first this time please.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:29:34
I have a few. Do you have a safeguarding policy that you could submit to the council?
Yes, we can provide one.
Also, so am I right in assuming then that your evening events will not be for children,
they are just for adults?
Correct.
Okay that changes sort of things a bit. Do you have any sort of contingency for people drinking outside?
I mean I know it says in the conditions that it's only supposed to be inside but if people sort of like wandered out and caused a problem on the street just outside, do you have a plan to deal with that?
Applicants - 0:30:22
Yeah, we don't, the only drinks we allow people to take away are hot coffee cups. We won't allow any drinks to be taken out of the premises.
Okay.
Something else I wanted to ask.
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:30:39
Oh, yes.
So you've said that there's going to be sort of like no standing, so does that mean that the
drinks will be taken to tables? So people are sitting down and then the drinks will be brought
to the people sat at the tables? Correct. Okay and from what I remember, you said that there's
permitted access between 5pm and 11pm, is there a condition for that anywhere or is
Applicants - 0:31:16
that just mentioned somewhere? Yeah so our regular business hours are 9 .30
till 5pm, we close at 5pm, our doors close to the public, the only time it would be open
if it was a private event in the evening. Okay so I'm not quite sure who the question
is but it would be nice to have maybe a condition for that but I'm not sure if I'm allowed to
Okay, I think that is all for now that I can think of. Thank you very much.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:31:41
Okay, I might let you come back, Councillor Gibbon. Laura, you've got your hand up.
Laura Heller - Legal - 0:31:54
Thank you, Chair. It's just to make the point to the applicant, because Councillor Gibbon has just mentioned a potential condition off the back of the representations by the applicant,
the children won't be invited or permitted to evening events.
Would that be something that you would be willing to accept by way of an added condition
to the licence? And if so, then I can work on some wording.
If I pop it into the chat, could you have a look at it, please, and just let me know
shortly, certainly before the end of the hearing, whether or not that wording would be favourable
or whether or not you would suggest any tweaks to that wording.
Sure.
Yeah, is that something potentially that you would be willing to abide by?
Yes, it is.
Okay, okay. Thank you, Chair. I'll work on some wording and I'll pop that into the chat for the applicant to review.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:32:40
Very good. Thank you very much as we pick up.
So that's what Laura does. She picks up along the journey of what members are saying.
or even Mrs. Minors, you know, she might say something
and it might bring another condition forward
that we would look into.
But anyway, as we continue, Councillor Kelly,
any questions for the applicants, please?
Cllr Paul Kelly - 0:32:59
Thank you, Chair.
I think Councillor Gibbons covered most of the questions
I was gonna ask and I have one left now,
which was just to get if you have any more details
on the sort of breakdown of people,
your clients coming in and using this property
at the moment and whether they're driving or whether they're walking to the site,
because obviously we'd have concerns about people having a drink, maybe one or two,
and then getting in a car with children. So if there's any information that you have or if you
intend to get any further information once you start opening in longer hours. Thank you.
Applicants - 0:33:35
Yeah, so I think on the, our clientele that we do have coming in at the moment, I think it is a fair
mix if I'm honest. We do have a lot of the local community who do just walk down to us, but we have
had people who do travel from, I don't know,
Amisham or Maidenhead who do make the travel in a car.
So I'd say at the moment it's 50 -50.
The only thing I would probably mention is our sessions,
we do have sessions throughout the day.
So if someone is coming in and they've booked in,
it's an hour and a half session that they are in there for.
And I'm not bypassing how much people can drink
in an hour and a half, but it is going to be regulated.
We will know if people are ordering more than two drinks,
which we can control.
And you mentioned about the driving aspect.
I think it's dependent on whether, you know, you could be a local
that lives two minutes down the road, you could walk.
But if the weather's terrible and you've got little ones,
you know, you're going to opt for a vehicle.
So it's really dependent.
Thank you.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:34:37
Happy. OK, right now it's...
Councillor Gibbon, you got any more questions or am I allowed to continue now?
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:34:49
Just one, I'm very sort of happy for alcohol in the evening with adults.
I do have concerns about alcohol in the morning with children so I don't know whether it's
possible to have sort of alcohol in the evening but not alcohol in the morning. I don't know
whether that is an option that's available. I'm sorry I don't know the legal internet for this.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:35:20
I think that's something we could pick up. Laura would we pick up that afterwards?
Laura Heller - Legal - 0:35:21
No I can answer that chair if that's okay. It is a matter for the panel when considering the
application by the applicants whether or not to grant the application as is submitted i .e.
the entirety of what is being requested or whether or not based on the licencing objectives
it would be just and proportionate to amend that request in some way, i .e. it would be
within the committee's gift to grant the sale of alcohol for a shorter period of time provided
that the committee felt that that was necessary and proportionate to ensure that the licencing
one or more licencing objectives were not undermined. So you would also you would always
need to have that necessary and proportionate aspect in mind when making any of your decisions
today but that is certainly something that that the committee could do. Thank you chair.
Yes the given happy with the response?
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:36:27
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:36:28
Yes thank you very much.
Just digging into that a little bit more Laura, I see where Councillor Gibbons coming from.
Could it be, so just say if we did agree to sort of this but still a little bit discontent, could it be restricted?
I see within the plan the room is quite big. Could it be restricted to where the alcohol would be within, like in the morning when there's bums and kids there?
Laura Heller - Legal - 0:37:03
So it is restricted at the moment to the cafe area. So the premises has areas beyond the
cafe area so I understand that there's a soft play area as well and so the alcohol is limited
to being consumed within that area. So there is that restriction already built into what
offered by the applicant and that's obviously during, you know, all of the hours that the premises are open.
Yeah, yeah. I wanted to bring that into the public domain for those that, because quite a lot of people do watch these.
Yeah, of course.
And now they would understand because they'd be thinking, well, you know, could it be done this way?
So we've opened the book to be transparent. So thank you very much for the confirmation on that.
Thank you, Joe.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:37:50
So just a few questions that I've got is how long have you been running the venue there please?
So we opened our doors I think on the 11th of May.
11th of May, yeah.
And was it run like this before or is this, you set this up?
Applicants - 0:38:16
Yeah, we set up, it used to be the Barclays Bank, so we did it, we set up.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:38:29
Yeah, okay. And then, I must admit you've opened our eyes a bit more actually, because like, you know, we were all scratching our heads slightly about the after five o 'clock like events, because you know, you haven't applied for any, just like regulated entertainment or anything like that.
So, and that's where we were going, well, what could it be?
But you also now put into the picture that you're sort of looking at, you know, family, health and well -being, stuff like that.
So, you know, would that include senior citizens that they isolate, you know, would you be encouraging them to get out of their houses?
Is that the sort of project you're working out there?
Applicants - 0:39:08
Correct. We are, our goal is to be a community hub.
Yeah, we are not, as I mentioned, we are not a children's facility.
We are for children, for adults, for all ages.
And that's our goal and our aim.
We are members of this, of the community.
We live in Chalfont St. Peter, and we're trying to create something, not just for us,
not just for our two children, but for our entire community.
We have already seen, we are bringing a host of people from all the
surrounding areas to Chalfont St.
Peter, we've been speaking to local businesses about, you know, how the increased football
just because of Petite Social Club and that is supporting other businesses as well. So,
we are trying to encourage all age groups, you know, whether it's education based or
it's socialising events, etc.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:40:00
And do you advertise that in the local area, like in local magazines or Facebook or Tik
Tok or?
Applicants - 0:40:10
Yes, advertise on social media. I think we've been they do a local leaflet drop, which we've done a couple of times. And so we tried to stagger our advertising, so it will change as the months go on.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:40:20
Yeah. And thank you very much. Just clarifying on that one. And then so when we talk about the, you know, in the area, so could you just clarify, you have a public store anyway?
There's a pub next door, so and you don't get any interference from there?
No, not today.
Okay, last two questions, I'm quite intrigued of where you're taking your project.
Have you been approached or have you approached Parks Council, the Community Board?
Because health and wellbeing community sort of setups like this are quite something.
Have you been approached by anybody or?
No.
Okay, we'll take that away.
Last question, has the parish council approached you to get involved in any way with being a community hub?
OK, thank you very much. OK, that's the end of my questions. OK, so Diane Minors, questions to you, please.
Objector - 0:41:23
OK, I've got a couple of questions, one which was how long have you been able to gather evidence, which has been asked by how long have you been opened?
Now, as you say, it's the little old Barclays Bank, and they had to modify just outside
of the front to put a ramp and some stairs, and there's a railing.
So you can walk out of Barclays Bank and lean on the railing.
How are you going to stop people from just taking their nice drink on a sunny day and
leaning on that railing and effectively turning that outside bit as into a little pseudo pub?
because I would I would walk out of there with my drink and watch the world go by and lean on the railing.
Applicants - 0:42:01
So during our actual opening hours, parents are it's their souls super responsibility to supervise the children that are in there.
They can't walk out and leave their children inside. So we do have a safety gate for when a session starts, which keeps people inside to stop children also opening the door.
So parents can't and they shouldn't be going outside leaving their children unattended.
And if in the instance they do, they are given warnings that this is not acceptable.
You know, you cannot leave your children. As we clearly mentioned, we are not a nursery.
We are not a crèche. So we do not, you know, do child minding.
OK, if I follow that up, then I have gone, I'm the parent and I've taken my mum.
Objector - 0:42:46
So there's a parent and a grandparent. The grandparent stays inside.
I go outside. How are you going to stop that?
Because the child isn't unattended.
Yeah. And I'm just enjoying the sun outside.
And a piece of quiet.
Applicants - 0:42:59
It'll be part of our managing.
We will have to tell people that they shouldn't be taking their drinks out
and to come back inside.
If they want to go outside, they shouldn't be taking a glass
or whatever they have with them.
Objector - 0:43:12
OK, so this is what you might do,
which is goes back to the collecting of evidences or speculation. Okay. Um,
now you said it's a hub, um,
which isn't in anywhere in your application. So my question is,
and you said it would take old people and other things.
So would you allow single people in there just to come in and
have a drink or how is that working?
Applicants - 0:43:45
So again during our normal booking hours it is you can only come in if you have a child.
We don't let people book into the session unless they are bringing a child.
For our evening events they are marketed purely, so for instance we have a mum social,
we would only allow mums to come in and to book in.
If it is one of our evening sessions that we're looking to host is a chess session for any age.
so again if you're a single who wants to come in for a chat session that's absolutely fine
it will purely depend on the event that is running.
Objector - 0:44:21
Okay and this is just a comment, it's a positive comment so I'm going to make it here,
although the council hasn't been in touch with you I also sit on the chamber of commerce and
you're part of the summer of fun or activities that we, well the chamber of commerce are running
and the parish council supporting so that's just a comment it doesn't fit in anywhere else.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:44:41
That's good. Thank you. Okay that's it, that's all I have to ask. Thank you. Okay I would
I hope everyone will allow me, my chairman's privilege to come back on just so I'm quite
intrigued. So just picking up on two points with the evening, just let's take them as evening
events if you do move on and stuff and it's you said no entry after five or no entry between a
I would struggle with that because if you're running an evening event for people to come out of isolation and stuff,
you know, they wouldn't all turn up at five o 'clock.
You know, say if someone like me turned up at seven, but have come out of isolation, would you allow them into the venue?
You'd have an open door?
Objector - 0:45:32
Applicants - 0:45:33
No, it would be our venue would be closed at five o 'clock.
any events, so if our event was from seven till nine say, our doors would be closed from five till
seven, they would only be able to enter from seven o 'clock. So how, you know, you're doing a health
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:45:50
and well, you're opening your doors which I think you can tell where I'm coming from,
but for those that would turn up at different times, you know, so like I say if you offered
like I have wellbeing and stuff,
and you had some people there
that would be able to talk to them.
Not everyone's gonna turn up at the same time.
So I think we need to pick up on that.
That's quite a tight restriction to say
five o 'clock is five o 'clock.
Yeah, so -
Laura, is that where I'm trying to come from?
I think, and please to the applicant,
Laura Heller - Legal - 0:46:22
correct me if I'm wrong,
but I think what they're saying is that
they close their doors for their usual daily session
at five and then the doors would remain closed until whatever time their later event starts
and I think the customers would who were attending that event could attend the event from say 7 p .m
onwards but they would need to fit the category of persons who that is aimed at so I think what
they're saying is that they're in effect not trying to attract sort of just general
anybody to that event to drink, but it would be mums or chess players or they would need to be there to participate in that event. Is that correct? Is that what you meant regarding closing and then reopening again?
Applicants - 0:47:10
Yeah, that's exactly what we mean. And we do targeted events, all our events are evening events are ticketed.
So it's almost like the cinema, you know, it's the showing is from seven till nine.
If you miss it, you know, you can come later on, but you don't get the full experience.
And the numbers are controlled. So there's only a certain number of tickets that will be available.
It won't be open doors for whoever wants to join the event.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:47:37
Yeah. I'm just looking at a bigger picture because I would hate for someone to come back to us if we do decide to go with you.
To say, oh they're letting people in at seven when they were opening their event at five.
Well, when you're looking at like, you know, health and wellbeing evenings, it does take people a bit of energy to come from, or pluck the nerve up to come into stuff.
So that's why I'm just double checking on that. That's just me being typical, me digging down a little bit deeper into it.
OK. And then the other question that I picked up on and this was from Mrs. Miners questions was glass.
You mentioned during the earlier session where children will be there, how will you manage the glass in the room with children there, just for instance?
Applicants - 0:48:34
Is that just having a regular drink and a glass, is that what you're referring to?
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:48:38
Yeah, yeah. In the evening I understand and if any glass did get broken you would clear up.
But during the day when there's children around, glass can be a bit of an issue, as you know.
Applicants - 0:48:50
Yeah, no, that's fine. That's fair. We do have our regular coffee cups and our drinking cups are glass.
And parents aren't allowed to take those further than the, I think on the floor plan, you'll see the designated cafe area.
If they're taking hot drinks towards the soft play area, they have to be in the takeaway containers.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:49:12
So it is all restricted and to date we've not had any problems so far.
OK, thank you very much for allowing me a few extra questions.
Is there any more points you'd like to make as we move on on our agenda?
No? OK.
Thank you.
Laura's coming from the side.
Laura Heller - Legal - 0:49:29
Thank you, Chair.
I have put some wording in the chat for the applicant to consider relating to the evening
event.
So the wording that I have proposed is no person under the age of 18 years shall be
permitted to enter or remain on the premises after 5 pm or 1700 hours.
any use of the premises after 1700 hours shall be limited to pre -booked private functions.
It's just to the applicant just to get their views on that wording, how they feel about that,
whether or not that would be something that would cause them issues or that they would be happy to accept.
Applicants - 0:50:17
So the only thing I, we don't have, no that should be absolutely fine, yeah, that's absolutely fine, yeah.
Thank you. That's it from me, Charlie, thank you.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:50:26
I do notice that Diane Minors has got her hand up. Normally I wouldn't allow you to speak when legal has come across to the applicant,
but you seem willing to be working along so I'm happy to allow you to speak.
Objector - 0:50:46
Okay so the only thing with that statement is there is no break between five o 'clock,
so there's no time to close the doors if you like metaphorically and then reopen them because 4 .59 and 5 .01 it's a continuum.
And if it's being said that events don't happen until 7, then I think there should be a break
reflected in there where one business terminates and another business starts as opposed to
this continuum you've got at the minute.
Laura Heller - Legal - 0:51:18
I mean I'd refer to the applicant but my understanding that 7pm was given as an example rather than
a blanket rule that events would start at that date.
So, yeah, I don't know whether perhaps,
I mean, if your usual closing hours are 5 p .m.,
do you tend to have, you know,
a lot of premises will say they close their doors
at five o 'clock, but actually sometimes
getting customers out the door can be a bit problematic.
And so obviously we wouldn't want you to fall foul
of any licence conditions in that way,
because that's not what it's intended to do.
So obviously it's a matter for you, Chair, and to get the applicant's view, but it may be that maybe 5 -15 hours, for example,
or, you know, it's a matter for discussion in order to give that kind of leeway to get people out of the door.
But I don't think 7 o 'clock was given as an absolute, you know, blanket starting point for potential events to take place.
although of course this is all open for the committee to decide with regards to the sale of alcohol.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:52:30
Yeah, I understand where Diane Minors is coming from, but that restriction as far as I'm concerned is too tight.
You know, when you get venues, they have an open door, they're managing their venue and they know how to manage their venue as such.
I'm putting words maybe overstepping my mark, I don't think so, but if you've got another event at six, you're going to make sure that your guests are moving out because you don't want them there.
You've got to change the room around. That's how I start. I'm just trying to cover ground here.
So I would be personally, I could go to colleagues reluctant to put such a timeline on there, but you know, Diaminos has brought that up.
colleagues, are you with me to leave it as it sits within the application of those times?
Cllr Kathy Gibbon - 0:53:26
Well I'm wondering whether the applicants might want to make it a little bit later so that they
don't fall foul of still having children on site at a point where they're not allowed to be there
because I do know and I have seen that it can be a bit hard getting parents and their children
or the paraphernalia you have to take with a small child out of the building so it's up to them
whether they would like to make that a little bit later to cover themselves or not.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:53:50
But their closing time is five and then the additional is on top.
Shall we talk about it afterwards?
You may want to hear from the applicant chair. I believe they've got their hands up just to see what their views are.
Applicants - 0:54:08
So our closing time to the public is five o 'clock. We actually have staff until 5 .30 doing, you know, cleaning. We do a whole routine of cleaning, sanitising all our toys, etc, all the soft play area. So an event wouldn't start prior to 5 .30.
I think we're leaving to discussion with us afterwards. I think we've had enough evidence.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:54:31
I can tell that dianylus has got concern. The applicant has put their point of view across.
I think we'll take that out as we do our deliberation between us at the end.
So no more questions for the applicant. Something I've picked up on on my agenda is
um it will be down time for the interested parties to speak. Well I haven't got it on my agenda here
but I I'm going to allow it so because I can tell that Diane Minors would love to speak and we would
love to hear from you so um everyone over to Diane Minors to deliberate from her statements and what
Objector - 0:55:12
she'd like to discuss. Okay thank you. So Jefferson Peter Parish Council objects to the application in
Objector - 0:55:25
full. We do not support this so this is what I'm saying now obviously sort of predates
our evening discussion and our delineation between the times but based on the application
at the time we do not support the sale of alcohol at this premises at any time. Petite Social Club
is an early years soft pay cafe designed specifically for babies, toddlers and young
children aged from zero to six as stated in the application. The applicant confirms that children
will be present throughout the venue and must be supervised by a parent or caregiver. In our view,
introducing alcohol into this environment is fundamentally incompatible with the nature of
the premises and gives rise to clear concerns under all four licencing objectives.
First, protection of children from harm. Buckinghamshire's licencing policy states that licenced premises
can be a high risk environment for children and young people and that where serious concerns
exist applications will be refused. The applicant has not provided a safeguarding risk assessment
explaining how alcohol -related risks will be managed in a venue whose primary function
is early years play. The presence of alcohol changes the character of the environment and
introduces risks that do not exist in a non -alcohol -led children's venue.
Secondly, prevention of crime and disorder. The measures proposed challenge 25,
refusal logs, staff training are standard for general hospitality settings. They do
not address the specific content of a soft play venue for 0 -6 year olds. Introducing
alcohol increases the risk of inappropriate behaviour, conflict and staff having to manage
both alcohol -related issues and child safety responsibilities.
Third, public safety.
Soft play equipment requires
full attentive adult supervision.
Alcohol consumption may affect attentiveness and judgement,
increasing the risk of accidents or unsafe behaviour
around young children.
The applicant's safety measures relate
to daytime soft play operation
and do not address the risks introduced by alcohol.
Fourth, prevention of public nuisance.
The premises is located on the High Street
marketplace junction with nearby residential properties.
Alcohol consumption even during daytime hours
increases the likelihood of noise and disturbance
compared with a non -alcohol led cafe.
The mitigation measures offered are general
and do not specifically address alcohol -related impacts in a children's venue.
In conclusion, a couple of points. Petite Social Club is a valued early years facility.
Its purpose is to provide a safe nurturing environment for very young children
from a wide distance. As far as Wendover, the sale of alcohol is not compatible with
that purpose and in the parish council's view undermines all four licencing objectives,
particularly the protection of children from harm. For this reasons, so we were saying
remove it all, provide no licence, but if we can get to the point where the evening has no children
and that's licence, fine, but we still object to alcohol from opening till five,
which is the stated opening hours, and that's where I will finish. And the
reason we know it's from Wendover, when we were doing the preparations for
best -kept village, we saw all these children being cushioned around, so we asked
them if they'd just been to Piss Eat Social, and we were absolutely stunned
how far they were coming. Very pleased, but was surprised. I mean, I wouldn't have
thought coming from Wendover was even an option for a play date if you like. Anyway that's
it thank you very much.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 0:59:48
Thank you very much. I believe some of those points they offered during their deliberation
anyway like with their plans and that looking after the children they said they'd submit
that. I'm really pleased, Mrs. Miners, that you turned around and said people come all the way
from Wendover to your lovely area to visit their venue in such a short time since May.
That's quite something. But anyway, we get back to the agenda as I should put it. So the
The applicant, if you would like to put any questions. Laura has got her hand up.
Laura Heller - Legal - 1:00:32
Sorry, Chair, me again. Just to pick up on something that you said very briefly, there
has been a condition offered in the operating schedule and that is Condition 15 which relates
to a written children's safeguarding policy. I know during earlier discussions I think
the applicant indicated that they were happy to submit a copy of that. Just to draw your
attention to the fact that the condition doesn't suggest that a copy is submitted prior to
if you and your colleagues decided to grant the licence, it's not a condition that that
has to be agreed with the licencing authority or anything like that beforehand, but it does
say that a copy of the policy shall be made available on request to authorised officers.
So in its current format that could be requested by the licencing authority, you know, at any point
after the licence was granted if that is the decision of the committee, but it doesn't put any
kind of onus to provide that or agree that in advance of the licence being granted, if that
So I just wanted to kind of draw that distinction of what obviously the applicant is saying that they will do, but what's in the actual condition.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:01:55
Thank you. OK, we're happy with that. Thank you very much to bring that to our attention.
So now we go back to the applicants. If you'd like to put any questions to Diamineers.
Applicants - 1:02:08
No questions. No, you know, we understand, you know, where you guys are coming from in
terms of, you know, safeguarding and alcohol and the consumption of alcohol with children.
But I think there is compatibility there in a controlled environment, controlled safe
environment. And that's the key.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:02:30
Thank you. Thank you very much. Now I'm going to come round to members then. I'll let Councillor
Kelly go first. Any questions for Diane Winers from the parish council? No, no further questions.
Councillor Gibbon? No, I don't have any, thank you.
Chairman? No, I have none either. So that's moved through that section. Sarah, did you have any
questions for... You didn't ask me but I don't have any, thank you. Sorry I should have allowed
you first, Rita, I do apologise. You can tell me later but no questions, okay. I think we've
covered ground quite nicely there so we're now really coming down to closing submissions
as we come to the near the end of our hearing. So what I'm going to do is go around the room,
go licencing officer then the applicant and then down to interested parties. So licencing officer,
you've got any closing submission you'd like to make? No nothing from me thank you chair.
Thank you. Then I come round to the applicants, is there any closing submissions you'd like to make?
Thank you chair. Then I come to that minus, is there any closing submission you'd like to make?
Objector - 1:03:47
Just one line one which is,
the Chavans Peter Parish Council maintains its objection to alcohol during the day sessions when
children are present but would be happy with the licencing of evening in the absence of children.
Cllr Phil Gomm - 1:04:04
Okay, thank you. So that concludes the evidence in this matter. Before I conclude the hearing,
Is there any party present who does not consider that they have had a fair hearing?
Is everyone happy?
Yep, thank you for the confirmation.
So the subcommittee will now retire together with the legal advisor and democratic services officer for the matter to be determined.
The subcommittee will come to the decision which will be sent to the applicant and all other parties who have submitted that relevant representation within the time limits,
set out in regulations together with the details of any right of appeal.
So I'll be asking that all parties other than members, legal advisors and democratic services to stay,
so that, sorry, the applicant and, you need to leave the meeting after please, and we'll go off to decide.
But can I say just before you go,
and I do say this to a lot of people
when a hearing has gone well,
we've had a great open and transparent conversation
between all of us.
And it's nice that, you know,
business of Chalfont is working or is being,
was it your Chamber of Commerce has noticed it.
So it's great there.
And Guy de Meyers, I'd like to say as a Councillor,
you've done an extremely good job to present
what you have there from the parish council as well.
I'd like to say, well, your conduct in the meeting
has been extremely fantastic.
So I'd like to thank you again on that one.
How we go, I do not know, but to the applicants,
I wish you all the best in your business there.
I will be picking up on a few things to do with council
getting hold of you from what you say you're working on.
And I will be asking the local member
to contact the parish council on that involvement as well.
So, but thank you very much, enjoy the rest of the afternoon. Thank you very much.
Thank you very much all. Thank you. Bye. Thank you.